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July 19, 2011

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Welcome! Edit

Welcome to Lovia, Pikapi!
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Hi, welcome to Wikination, the Lovia wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Lovia Archipelago page. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Ooswesthoesbes (Talk) 01:41, July 19, 2011

Hi Edit

Welcome to Wikination but please don't make things up like your Police Task Force. First read pages and rules, and all that so we're all on the same page. Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:36, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

We aren't mad at you, when I was a young user i made pages that didn't make sense either. First read rules and pages around the wiki that have already been established. We also work as a democracy in the wiki and mostly focus on politics =]. I'm currently the Prime Minister so please check out these pages: Congress, and Constitution, Federal Law, and for the current congress 2011 Second Congress. Please follow all rules and you could become an avid member and if you prove trustworthy and active people may give up some congress seats for you. =] So hi again, Pikapi. Marcus/Michael Villanova 20:59, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

As a new user it might be scaring to see all that information coming at you. An easier way to 'get worked in' is to first create uncontested pages like a character, his hobby club, a work of art he made, etc. Later on as you followed the doings of the community you get to learn the rules and can move on to politics. That's how I did it. Aged youngman 07:00, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hi -- 2Edit

Well yeah we are mostly about politics =]. But that's the way we work, If you want somthing done go into politics or request a congress or Prime Minister (like me) to propose somthing or you could even write a law and propose it in the Forum:First Chamber. That's kinda how we work.

But if your just gonna write about private articles like Character, Life, Wife, Children, Job, things like that go ahead but remember to keep it real.

I know this sounds like were harrassing and sounding like rule nazis but you'll get the hang of it and have fun in no time.

And if I you want to join politics go to this page: 2011 Second Congress there's a list of parties, with a varying types of views, check it out and join one if you want. =] Welcome! Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:16, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Lovian Defense Edit

We've had discussion about this before and a majority approved a ban of (para)military organizations. Lovia does not have an army. I can understand you deem an army necessary but you can't just create it on your own. Congress is the way to do this. Nothing personal, just being consequent to all users. Regaliorum (S Kitana) 06:30, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

An army is not really what we need here, but perhaps a specialized division of the Police Force, like in Costa Rica (They have no army but their police takes over those duties). HORTON11 14:46, July 21, 2011 (UTC)</p>
I believe the executive forces behind the police can erect such a branch on itself. Yet I'd like Congress to be at least consulted on the matter. Regaliorum (S Kitana) 06:32, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I've only just seen the military proposals you put into congress. Let me say that I think I know a better way of doing it that doesn't seem like you are trying to over militarise. I have a plan and you can see it on timemasters page once I post it but you cannot take it to congress, I will most likely need to refine it and take it to congress next year. Kunarian 01:12, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I will however we cannot go for such an approach that gives a single user who has not been elected into congress by majority control the Lovian Armed Forces, but I will try to merge your ideas with mine. Kunarian 01:50, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Citizen Edit

You've done over 50 edits! Horay! You can be made a citizen but first you must state these things:

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Just fill it out and you could be a Citizen! Also if you want to enter politics check out 2011 Second Congress to see a list of currently represented parties in Congress. Marcus/Michael Villanova 17:52, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome! The politics tutorial with a link on the main page is very useful as well. I'm looking forward to working with you! TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 02:35, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nimmanswolk Edit

Thank you for your donation :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 10:12, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nimmanswolk (2) Edit


Your cavy has arrived!

Hello! Here is the cavy you waited for. Have fun with it. --OWTB 30 Nov 2007 06:09 (UTC)

Do you get one if you support the cause? If so I'm more than willing to adopt one myself. Smile Regaliorum (S Kitana) 07:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Would you like a seat in Congress? Edit

Hey, if you become more active, I'll donate you a seat or two in Congress. Deal? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:57, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, good. What party do you want to join? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 01:32, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

I's like to mix things up a little while staying true to Christopher Costello's beliefs, so how about the Independent party (or an Independent party). I'll make myself more familiar with the policies of the Congress over the following days. Thanks, and cheers! --COP Christopher Costello (Pikapi - Discuss) 01:39, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

K, if you be active for the next few days, I'll add you as an independent. The Progressive Conservative Party, Liberal Democratic Party, and Conservative Christian Party of Lovia may also suit your beliefs. TimeMaster (talkcontribs)

CCPL probably not, as he says he is not "notably religious", which could be quite useful if you want to join us :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:02, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

No wonder why you don't attract so many people to the CCPL, Oos. You gotta promote your stuff better. Real politicians aren't as honest as you. Smile Limba The Master's Voice 17:09, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
Oos is clearly selective about who he wants in his party, he's not out to get supporters who'll later betray him. Which IMHO is a good thing. --Nikolai Koshkov, a.k.a Semyon 18:51, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
Sure it is. But since Edward Hannis was warmly welcomed, so could Pikashu, right? No biggie if he ain't very religious. Smile Limba The Master's Voice 18:58, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
Those were different times as CCPL was at the time heavily criticized, but the main reason is that Hannis is a bit more serious than Costello. We certainly do have problems with things like: acting entirely in a politically correct manner is merely being a kiss ass, Communipedia and his "money dance". --OuWTBsjrief-mich 04:50, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so since you have been active in the past two days, I will donate you the seat of Ben Opat' (an MCP) from my collection. Enjoy! I'll update the National Congressperson Order for you. (also, sorry it's only one seat--I don't want to have any less seats, if you understand. You'll get more in the 2012 Elections). TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:28, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Charleston Economy Edit

With a fast growing population, due to Train Village in flame and will needed to be reconstructed, alot of the population will be staying in Charleston, and we need jobs. We have a super low tax laws in the city, but you will have to go by Lovian standards. Would you be willing to come to Charleston, maybe come live in the town? Richard Creed 04:26, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Uh... we have no taxes in any town in Lovia. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 12:48, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Nothing Edit

The title of the operation is actually censored. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16)跟我谈话 22:15, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it couldn't have been too hard to find a fun title that is not obscene. Just try your imagination. Smile Regaliorum (S Kitana) 08:15, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


I'd like to submit Bill An OR Artie McCand as CI (Chief of Intelligence), although I'd prefer Bill An. I don't know what issues you have. I'll stop editing it, if you'd like. --JT (is not my name) 22:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to get into politics, but I can't. Obviously, elections are coming up soon, but until then the seat would probably be filled up. Pierlot that devil Sad. --JT (is not my name) 23:57, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Chris what's up? ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 17:13, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Chris, would Positive Lovia be interested in a voting and political coalition with the Liberal Democratic Party during the elections? Basically, we'd vote for each other and vouch for each other in the Coalition talks. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:26, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

A partnership, not a merger. Basically, we'd support each other in elections, and try to both be in the Coalition. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:00, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

It won't start until January, I was just asking if you were interested. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:27, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks, chris! ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 01:41, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

I liked your old logo better, the new one has shadow so it looks like something that would only be found as the logo of the website. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:20, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Lovian Defence Force Edit

Can the LDF share some of the Coastal police bases together? Granero 22:39, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pikapi, if you are there please help because Kunarian is being unreasonable and I tried to compromise but he wilol not. Granero 23:00, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you will not give up on your ideas, that would suggest a lack of leadership and backbone. But don't damage your chances with rushed bills after the elections. Kunarian 02:28, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

It could easily simply because of the subject and because a bill on it was proposed recently. Take time and formulate it carefully so that theres little reason for it to be refused. Kunarian 03:00, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

About Matt Edit

He's kind of the [1] to EDIT: Chris' Tali. ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 11:57, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Just a note, please do NOT name your images things like awehbf2739u3bapi3h9.png in the future. Give them a name that relates to what they are, instead of keeping it the same as the name it had before you downloaded it. Thanks. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:14, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Another thing, avoid links to Wikipedia if you can. Years are internal, and basic things like seasons don't need to be linked. We also have some pages for political movements and religions, though I don't know about centrism and buddhism. Thanks again. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:29, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I just revised the Positive Lovia page. For some reason it said that the LDP and CNP were polar opposites, which is completely false. They are actually fairly closely aligned; liberal in Lovia means progressive in social views, but (fairly) conservative in economic views. The CNP is more conservative in economic views than the LDP, I think. I've fixed that, anyway. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 01:58, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Also, your party is missing some views on social rights. If you could add them, that'd be good. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 03:04, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Social rights are things like gay marriage, abortion, etc. Basically things not really related to taxation and economics. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 12:02, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I need help. Can you call me? ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 02:00, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

On my dad's iPad, too. ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 02:42, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Time to vote! Edit

Forum:Federal elections --JT (is not my name) 04:32, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

You Decide 2012 Edit

You Decide 2012!

Hello, Pikapi, it's time to vote! If you already did, great, but here's some tips for everyone.

Tips Edit

  • Don't vote for "abstentioners". PM Villanova has stated this in his outgoing campaign speech, and voting for them just makes everything worse. So don't do that. :P
  • Take your time and decide carefully. Voting closes at January 21, so why fret?
  • I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE A BUDDHIST - No sectarian crap, swy. ;(

Respond here for anything about YD2012. --JT (is not my name) 16:50, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Coalition Edit

Who would you like to delegate the major positions of the government to? And do you support a Deputy Prime Minister position? Also, it doesn't matter who you actually vote for within the Coalition as long as everyone can get a similar amount of votes. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 17:56, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

1, i think. ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 18:04, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Last government we left one active person (The Master's Voice) out of the government because he was far right and there was a huge controversy and he left for a month. We gave Oos who wasn't in two posts as well. So generally it's good to put some non-coalition people in the government, especially if the coalition only has like 5 or 6 real users--not enough to fill in every position. And yes, the deputy PM would be like a VP (sort of), and would be the person who is PM in the PM's absence, though on second thought, I think that it's not necessary (just appoint a new one). TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 17:21, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I mean PL-LDP-CNP, and some other parties similar to our ideology, such as the Progressive Conservative Party. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 17:41, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Want to come on this chat? We can talk more... quickly there. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 17:47, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Speak Chinese? Edit

If you can, please visit w:c:zh.nation and contribute. You did say, after all, you spoke Chinese! Citation Also, is it okay I replace "Darion Agu" as Party Speaker? --JT (is not my name) 01:22, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

That's true. (Dupe) Also, is it okay if I replace "Darion Agu" as Party Speaker (for PL)--JT (is not my name) 01:26, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

GoYou transition Edit

Thank you very much. --JT (is not my name) 03:35, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

That's impossible, because the judge also has a vote. A 4/5 or 5/5 might work but would be difficult to achieve, because if they have 2 to 3 they can't make a decision. In a 3/5 system they can always make a decision. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:50, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

And also, in court cases, "yes" and "no" doesn't work that well. Either you support a created proposal to the case or not, but there may be multiple proposals. And you were planning on having all the PL guys be sockpuppets? o_o Could you come on chat again, btw? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:16, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Just keep the chat in an open tab. It'll ding if I chat and we can talk further then. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Dutch google translate Edit

I do advise you not to use Google translate for Dutch. I REALLY sucks :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 23:31, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

It sure does... and you would probably read some pretty disturbing things, too. Little Tahrim happens to be suffering from a rare form of keyboard-tourette's. SmileD The glorious First Consul of Rome 23:36, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Ah well, this is Magnus', an old psychotic Frysian, only place to spread his Nazi ideas, so just ignore it. TahR78 23:40, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, make fun of me over it why don't ya...--— Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 23:38, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Ah well, this is Magnus', an old psychotic Frysian, only place to spread his Nazi ideas, so just ignore it. TahR78 23:40, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
(editconflict) Hallo, flaaj nein spruchen deutsch. --JT (is not my name) 23:41, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
It sure does (google translate)... and you would probably read some pretty disturbing things, too. Little Tahrim happens to be suffering from a rare form of keyboard-tourette's. SmileD He also has the nasty habit of deleting other people's comments. The glorious First Consul of Rome 23:42, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't you clean up the (offensive material censored) over your Hitler poster in your room, Berndje? And I assume I can call you that way even though you claim it isn't your real name. TahR78 23:44, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
How very, very innapropriate of you, Tahrim! If I was your mother I would wash your mouth with soap. And send you to bed with no roti for an entire month! :) The glorious First Consul of Rome 23:48, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Trol Edit

You are trolling right now. Apoo banaan 00:14, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

He is :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 00:16, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


I'm finally on yeah!!!!--Blessed Sword 11:31, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Minister of DefenseEdit

What do you think of Kunarian becoming the Minister and you becoming the head of the defense force? I think that Kunarian could handle the legal side of defense better, while the side that actually does the action is better suited for you. What do you think? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:10, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

How do you know he would start arguments? All the arguments have had to due with opposing plans how the military will work, and the argument on who should be minister of defense is part of that. If he starts being mean and illogical, we can just file a motion of distrust. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:17, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna give me time to settle in.--Blessed Sword 00:35, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Need help with page confused--Blessed Sword 00:43, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Pikapi, in Kunarian's national guard act, read this: The Secretary of Defence is responsible for the administration and legality of the Department of Defence. Do you really want to be the one doing that, or do you want to be the one giving the actual orders to the groups during situations where the NG is needed? Please reconsider the compromise. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:35, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

The Minister of Defence cannot discharge members of the National Guard on a whim, they need to get approval from the PM. And I don't think the NG is large enough for a rank system, though you can write about the groups as much as you want, like you've done for the Coastal Police. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:19, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Do listen to timemasters points. You would have free reign once the basics are set up and would still be a big part of the politics. I understand that you feel we cannot get on as we have opposite directions but a lack of compromise and concessions will cause more problems. Kunarian 17:01, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

me Edit

how to make templates and links and stuff--Blessed Sword 01:36, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Chris, what I'm gave to Timemaster(That he also agreed to)is that you two would be of equal authority. You would be in charge of the men, while Kunarian would take care of the legal BS. You'd be like me and Gabe; feuding, then coming together in a time of crisis.

PS: Look up Walter Peck no dick on YouTube. That's who I think Kunarian is.

---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 17:07, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

This exactly were I should be involved. My mom wants me off the computer because of you. So suck it up, and be the better man. ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 00:47, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Pikapi can you go on the chat, I am there. Also do you think in English Pedro Picapiedra its said Peter Rock stinger or is it different. Granero 02:32, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


Hello Chris, where have you gone? I haven't seen you in a white. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:02, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Not really. Take a look at the elections, though. . . PL now has 16 seats in total. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:21, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Elections just ended. Coalition talks and stuff will start soon. Fill out your NCO in ten minutes. You got 5 seats. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:02, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. National Congressperson Order. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:04, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

K, you can fill yours out now. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:23, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, can you stop by halo fanon and post, please? ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 19:54, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Chris, can you vote for the proposals in the Second Chamber? Thanks. There are two amendments. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:25, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, can you stop by halo fanon and post again? ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 20:40, February 19, 2012 (UTC)


Hello! All MOTCs are requested to take part in discussions for a national budget and the tax system of the nation to be passed for this fiscal year. Talks can be found at Talk:Department_of_Finance/Budget. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:22, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

That's all good and fine. Just remember to pass by from time to time. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 10:59, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, could you vote Pro for this law, please? It needs 67 votes and it has about 64, so you'll be enough to push it over. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:09, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

Thanks for your help updating the SWU pages. I would have got round to it later today, but you saved me the trouble. :D --Semyon 16:31, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wondering that too. I have a feeling that when Dimitri created the ICG he intended it to offer vocational courses, as opposed to the Nobel University, but more science/mathematics would definitely be a good thing. :P --Semyon 11:20, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Assistant Commissioner CostelloEdit

If Costello is the head of the Coastline Security Bureau, he is an Assistant Commissioner which is a rank above Chief as Chiefs are the ones in charge of the precincts while Assistant Commissioners are in charge of entire Bureaus and therefore a higher rank due to their job that encompasses Lovia not just one area of it. They are also the stock from which the next Commissioner is normally chosen. Kunarian (talk) 18:05, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Also we are going to need to overhaul that Federal Police Staff part on the page. Kunarian (talk) 18:09, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cayne & Schwartz Edit

I just noticed the Cayne & Schwartz page has no content except for an infobox. Could you expand the page please? --Semyon 15:10, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot. --Semyon 17:21, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the page. Would you like the pages for the founders to be removed as well? --Semyon 11:03, September 14, 2012 (UTC)


While our alliance has been shakey I hope that the CNP-PL-LDP spoken and unspoken alliance can continue into 2013, I think it's best if we act once again as the forefront of a truly progressive Lovia. I hope that the recent reforms you created that I've been working to implement show that despite our differences, I still support your platform. Kunarian (talk) 21:47, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Running in the State Elections, eh? Don't worry, you have my vote. Truth be told, I greatly admire your political viewpoints and the party you represent. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 01:33, September 14, 2012 (UTC)


sure ok ill take it :)

Masterire (talk) 20:15, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Marriage ActEdit

Hey, could you please vote on the revision of the Marriage Act in the Second Chamber? We're talking just two votes and it's be good if you could vote pro on it. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:22, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dear Chris Edit

Is there any updates on the coalition between PL and the Conservative Nationalist Party? I like keeping up to date. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 17:27, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Not really, we mostly just vote for each other during elections and proposals in the Second Chamber. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 17:30, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the updates :) Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 17:32, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

You + Your Memes Edit

I love you so much now xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:05, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a Marcus --> Pikapi --> Kunarian love triangle then. :L (sorry, couldn't resist it) --Semyon 00:14, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

How will Pikapi react to marcuses displays of passion? How will Kunarian react to Pikapi's reaction? FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON LOVIA IN THE ROUGH! :L Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 00:32, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Thank darwin this wikia could stop politicking for a day xD Marcus/Michael Villanova 00:16, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

What's Darwin got to do with it? --Semyon 00:18, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man! I almost feel like I became famous overnight. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 00:31, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

See, just post enough memes and the people will love you :L Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 00:32, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
Hahaha, I'll keep that in mind when the next Federal Elections roll by. ;) — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 00:41, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Communipedia? Edit

I think you should get rid of the social networking theme and make a better use out of it so it becomes active, it would probably be very good use in another purpose. Maybe just like a chat. Just my opinion Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 12:50, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

No, actually, Communipedia was a real website that I was using for a while. I just associated it with my character on the wiki for the sake of making a reference. We could always create another wiki for a political purpose though, if you want? Any specific ideas? — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 12:15, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Notice Edit

To Christopher Costello

We are currently looking for a better name for the CNP-PL-SLP-GP coalition and we would like to ask you to see if you have a name. If you do have a name, go to section 6 of the Forum:Political Coalitions and leave your name idea.

Dave Leskromento
Coalition Messenger

Hi, can you vote for the Settlement Act as well? Thanks. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:10, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

PL IdeologyEdit

Hi Chris. As I've said earlier, PL's ideology contradicts itself. It claims to be centrist yet classical liberal at the same time, which is impossible, as classical liberal is a clear right-wing stance. Could you make a choice on where PL will stand on the economic spectrum, please? Also, can you add some positions on social issues (gay marriage, abortion, drugs legal/illegal, etc.) and environmental issues? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 18:04, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I think that I have already removed the term 'centrist' from every portion of the PL article, can you give me a specific example? But sure, I'll go into social issues a little more if you insist. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 19:43, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, the coalition parties have been confused about the standing of PL so it's good to see you fix it. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 19:47, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, you have fixed most of the centrist stuff, but in the intro there is still: "It represents itself as a mainstream, middle-of-the-road "big tent" movement that caters to both leftist and rightist voters, and is particularly opposed to far-left and far-right ideals such as communism, fascism or radical social change." Why would a rightist party cater to leftist voters? That statement doesn't seem truthful at all, so I'd suggest redoing the intro. And yes, please add some info about positions of social issues and environmental issues. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:34, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Though my party can be generalized as classical liberal, I don't agree that my beliefs classify as being center-right or leaning to either side actually. I see now that political terms such as 'centrist' and 'classical liberal' are generalizations that don't allow for much of a mixture of ideas, but I believe that my party backs all moderates. I know that "big tent" isn't a term usually associated with moderate movements, but I feel that the term fits what I am saying because the ideology can fit a lot of people from a variety of political backgrounds. It has a strong emphasis on liberty, and thats what makes it distinct from most extreme parties. I'm mostly done with the political stances, but I have yet to get into environmental. To be honest, I haven't thought much about it. To generalize, I hope that car engineers can find a stable, renewable fuel resource fast. Its not really the kind of thing I like to mix with government though. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 22:30, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Classical liberal parties are much further rightward from centre than you are saying. Classical liberalism is about high liberty in the economy and the belief that the government should only interfere minimally if at all in the economy. It's just incompatible with the centre, much less left-leaning voters, who'd probably vote SLP or Labour. I'd advise abandoning the big tent idea -- we've got so many political parties that we don't need parties to generalize their ideas very much. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:47, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Eh, either there's some ideology that a liberal would not find offensive in there too, or I have really just grown highly predictable as a right-wing stereotype. Either way, I think that it would be best to keep it the way it is. Did you ever hear the saying, "you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar?" I mean, I have Mastetiere for god's sake, so I have to be doing something the leftists like. :P — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 22:54, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I highly recommend not making it a big-tent party. We've no need for them here è. Also, could you remove the "Lovia should seek to become a superpower" from your ideology? As Oos said, "it's laughable". TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
I think that its respectable to be ambitious, but I might remove the superpower comment later. As for the big tent party, I really like that part. I'd rather not make that change either just yet. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 23:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Well, here in Lovia, unlike in the US, we have people focus on their ideologies instead of focusing on agreement. Big tent parties don't have much place, as we make coalitions instead. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:44, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're not conservative? You are by your ideology. I guess we could solidify the definition of conservative to social conservative or something, though. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:48, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't like the term conservative, personally, people can use it to argue that we are farther right and assume that I take a particularly conservative stance on social issues, which I don't, because I'm more of a libertarian socially, and I hate being affiliated with the term "social", because it can be twisted to mean so many things that I am particularly opposed to. I want you to know that I appreciate how you are the type of person who can disagree with me on a lot of topics and yet we can still have a civil, productive conversation. I know that this is off-topic, but you are definitely good in my book. : ) — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 20:27, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Social is just one of several axises that we use to diagnose the ideology of political parties. In Lovia, conservatism is a broad term that can mean either social conservatism or economic liberalism (economic conservatism in America). I've got no problem with a preference for the use of "liberal" or "libertarian", but that doesn't mean that PL isn't conservative. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 04:29, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes my party is economically conservative but I would rather it not mention conservatism on the political parties page. Alright? I don't see whats not to understand. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 16:54, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well if you are conservative, you should mention it on the page. Or would you rather lie to potential voters? HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 17:22, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
The chart only offers enough room for two major party ideologies per party listing, and I chose to be represented as classical liberal and libertarian as opposed to classical liberal and conservative, because I want PL party to be represented by its two most prominent stances. I am confused at why you would call me a liar for this. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 17:30, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you weren't gonna add it on the political party's page, but it turns out its on the political parties page. my mistake. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 17:55, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand why you can't put it on your page. It's not a huge issue though. I was strongly hoping that you could change the party to not be big tent, though. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:34, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Wait, on my page? I have conservative listed numerous times on PL's page. And the only reason I had "big tent" is because I stand to unite everyone who is opposed to extremist ideals but I removed it because you are so strongly opposed to it. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 20:36, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Well, you removed it from your ideology on the list of political parties a while ago. I haven't read the page since I asked the question so if that's the case then it's fine. Anyway, since the PL has economically conservative views, how in the world are they supposed to unite everyone against extremism? And as I said earlier, we've got plenty of non-extremist parties. There is no reason to be big tent. Edit conflict: okay, good. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:39, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
I'm confused about the relationship between fiscal conservatism and being anti-extremist. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 20:43, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
That's not the problem. The problem is that you claim to be classically liberal, a quite rightist movement, while also claiming to be "middle-of-the-road" and centrist. I'd say admit to being rightist and further develop your ideology to a certain set of ideas. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:47, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
We already covered that I do not classify as centrist. I believe that I stopped claiming that I was centrist a while back. Please refrain from calling me centrist again before I plow my head through the nearest wall. Now that that is out of the way, I like to avoid generalizing myself as rightist because I think that some moderate liberals can appreciate my libertarian approach to the social issue, and because I stand against further-right philosophies such as christian democracy almost just as much as I do social democracy and communism. I'd like to argue that the scale is broken, but for now, I'd settle with being vague about on which side of this scale that I am positioned at so that Marcus doesn't have much leverage in his outcries against my party and so that I don't offend potential voters who have a habit of stereotyping center-rightists as complete right-wingers. When I say middle-of-the-road, I don't mean centrist by the pre-defined centrist philosophy, but I honestly feel that I can unite all moderates with my ideology. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 20:58, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Middle of the road = Centrist! You may have stopped calling PL centrist, but you still claim to be "middle of the road", which means more or less the same thing. Also, Christian democracy does NOT have to be rightist. In fact, here in Lovia, our Christian party is leftist. PL is rightist as a classical liberal party. Though you might want to appeal to modern liberals, they are centrist here, and can possibly join your party, PL is officially classical liberal and therefore rightist. It's what your ideology says. You might argue with the scale, but it's what's being used. Also, what's this about fear of being stereotyped? Non right-wingers shouldn't vote for right-wingers, and non left-wingers shouldn't vote for left-wingers. There's nothing to worry about. Edit conflict: Pleeeeease do not assume that. PL is a classical liberal party. Only the rightist moderates will vote for PL, not everyone. Pleeeeease just make it not be middle of the road, because we've got plenty of moderate parties. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:08, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Call it what you want the party officially represents itself as a mainstream middle-of-the-road, anti-extremist movement. Centrist isn't a very universally accepted term, and in the United States, the Libertarian Party, one of the country's largest third parties, positions itself in the center of the political spectrum, so that is how I will continue to represent my party if I want to. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 21:19, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

The Libertarian Party is quite far right. It's not at all centrist. PL nicknames itself the "Classical Liberal Party". It's not middle-of-the-road! Sure, they may be anti-extremist, but so is SLP, Labour, etc. Libertarianism is a rightist movement in Lovia. Also, we have a much more right-shifted spectrum in Lovia. Centrist here would mean leftist or centre-leftist in America. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:28, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sick of arguing my point. Over the next couple of days I'll try to adapt to more rightist ideals. — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up)
Alright, as a closing statement: We have no need for a big-tent party in Lovia. I recommend that you streamline the ideology of PL. That's all. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:21, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I removed the paragraph you added about this discussion above at Christopher Costello because it was out of character and intended to be retroactive (you'll always have been non-centrist). Okay? Also, MineCraftian requested to join PL at Talk:Positive Lovia. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:39, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'm not disapproving of the way that you're taking PL. I'm disapproving of the way you were diagnosing your ideology. It's been fixed now, so it's all good. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:42, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm BackEdit

now what do you need? ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 20:58, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Matt! The Pub should have a poll from fairly recently and I would appreciate if you'd vote, assuming that you haven't already. Besides that, there are the Federal Elections coming soon, and all of that. BTW, I called earlier to see if you might be able to hang out tomorrow? — Beer Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 00:16, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Pikapi, you know we kind of lagged a bit on finishing the Federal Police? I had an idea just a second ago that could save the force cash and make the entire system more efficient. If we sell off the old federal police local delegation buildings and the old coastal police buildings in Adoha, British island and Hurket-upon-Kings then we will save a large amount of money from keeping these buildings running and will make extra from the sale. And stay with me, I know it's hard to lose buildings but stay with me :L then we will take the five last remaining coastal police buildings and one new one we shall buy in Charleston and upgrade them into large police complexes that can provide proper facilities for the police as well as being able to house larger amounts of vehicles and larger vehicles (new boats for the FCSB! that can handle Lovia's borders properly and act as proper enforcement vehicles for the seas and coastlines). This will not only complete the infrastructure for the police that was needed as a result of your reform idea but also truly modernise the service and make it into a truly great gem in the crown of Lovia. It'll also be a nice bit of progress going into the festive season, look at it as our present to the police :L Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 21:32, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like you're idea. It doesn't really make all that much sense to follow a non-existant budget and say that we need to sell these buildings in the first place, but I'd be willing to sell them in order to see the FCSB outposts outlined in this plan renovated and reconstructed (with the only exception being the one in Adoha, doesn't it make sense to have an outpost situated on the coast of our Las Vegas at sea?). I wouldn't say that this would complete our efforts to overhaul the service, though, as we still have to get around to renovating the mainland Federal Police precincts that are supposed to serve as bases for all of our land forces, and start making pages for the remaining new Bureaus. We should stop procrastinating and set those to priorities as well. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 21:57, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to follow an imaginary one to retain realism. And on that Adoha one, it would if we weren't giving the kind of renovations that we will, which will allow for a much greater ability for force projection. Besides you'll have both Security Bureaus having around the clock patrols there, it'll be completely secure. I would say it'd certainly complete the main infrastructure renovations and besides after the upgrading of these we won't need any other bases as these will serve perfectly as the operations bases for each precinct (also I noticed we don't have a place in Oceana, we need a station in Hurbanova). However you are right that this won't change the need for efforts in the administration reformation of the Bureau and I look forwards to getting back to the reform. Also I wouldn't worry about procrastinating, it's understandable at this time of year. We should have things completed by the end of this year though hopefully. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 22:20, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Offer Declined Edit

Your offer for 10% of Leskromento Industries has been declined for the following reasons:

1. I don't want to become a billionaire by a billionaire investing since it will be unrealistic for lovia's economy.

2. I don't want to give stock away for nothing.

3. I've only just started the business about a month ago.

Your Sincerely, Dave Leskromento.

Fine, but Costello Enterprises isn't unrealistic in scope because it is a multinational corporation that is only Lovian-based. Your character's business is local, I believe, which would explain why you are probably never going to get out of the millions. My business is realistic, and if you want to be taken seriously, you will at least know what you are talking about before you make accusations. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 20:22, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
It's unrealistic in the way that it is reaping the billions and yet was established in 2012 I think personally. Also consider that Kameron Industries is being reduced to only making a few million above a billion in profit for the sake of realism, and they too are multi-national. I think Happy just wants a bit more of a realistic Lovian economy. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 21:45, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Costello Enterprises was created recently, yes, but its daughter organizations weren't. It was my way of unifying all of the individual organizations that I regularly receive money from. I'll admit that my company could be grounded a little more. I'll see what I can do to make the cost of the CE parent company more realistic in the near future. Just don't hate because I've got the bigger company. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 21:56, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
You really should put that in the header I do not believe it is there, it would clean up a lot of the problems. And believe me I'm not hating because you've got the bigger company :L Kameron probably owns more of the Lovian market than CE and CE probably has a greater international presence than Kameron and I agree you should ground it just a little more, it'll make everyone a happy chappy. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 22:09, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Wait. Lovia is a tax haven, so of course it has billionaires. Problem solved. Still though, I do not want an investor investing in my new company. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 09:38, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Its cool. So you're stock isn't traded on the Noble City Stock Exchange at all? Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 15:23, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
No. Sorry. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 15:35, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Interview Edit

The new Peace Island Times would like to interview Christopher Costello on the PL. Please report to ASAP. Thanks Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 16:12, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Great, Thanks! Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 16:14, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Advertising PIT Edit

Would Costello Enterprises be intrested in an advertisement on the Peace Island Times page? Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 17:37, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, thanks! Would we just be advertising the logo, or would someone have to design an ad for it? Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 02:40, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
I'll design a good ad, the ads are going to high quality on the newspaper. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 07:32, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I don't know how far along you are, but CE usually likes to go for a very modern, minimalist look, so you might want to stick to a plain white or gray background and you probably shouldn't put too much color into it. But its really up to however you see fit. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 15:15, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

McComb nomination Edit

Hey, I don't want to seem like a killjoy, but if Matt wants to stand he needs to come online and do it himself. I do think inactive people deserve to be able to stand, but making a single small edit to the Forum:Federal elections page isn't exactly a challenging requirement. I hope this doesn't seem unreasonable. --Semyon 18:54, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Good? ---It's all here, black and white, clear as crystal. 22:13, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :) --Semyon 22:18, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Matt. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 22:41, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Interview Edit

Every week or so, The National Post will run an article on each of the major parties participating in the election. This will be a chance for each party to explain how they plan to go about during the elections and into the new year. So if you're interested, I would like to inerview you; here are a few questions.

  1. What prompted you to swing the party more to the right?
  2. Are there any core beliefs you are likely to maintain during this reorganization?
  3. Where can we expect to see PL in the new year, in regards to economic issues?
  4. How do you plan to go about with your election campaign, given these sudden changes?
  5. Anything else you want to add? HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 15:53, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
  1. Well, before the PL took an apparent turn to the right, it was no secret that I was new to politics, and though I knew how I wanted our government to run, I wasn't so accurate in expressing my ideology using conventional political terminology. After spending some time meditating on the philosophic values of politics and comparing the ambiguous terms that I was so eager to cling to to their meanings, it came to me that the "center" of the political spectrum (which I was very fond of considering the PL to be at that time) isn't as clearly defined as leftism and rightism. In fact, it became known to me that the moderates on both sides of the playing field were in a tug of war, trying to pull the definition of centrism in their system closer to their own views. For instance, in the American system, the term has been used scarcely to refer to center-rightism, while in Europe, it is commonly used by parties that I'd consider to be center-left for both their social and economic ideals. After a brief dialoge between me and Krosby, it became clear to me that him and the leftists had already set their roots into centrism and that the term in Lovia is akin to moderate leftism. Now the PL was always opposed to strong government, the terms of social justice, and economic leftism (even though I didn't make that clear enough originally), so it seemed only fair for us to make a bold move the the center-right. At the time, this was a no-mans land in the Lovian system, so the negative response that I received initially was to be expected, but I have been trying not to let that deter me.
  2. Yes, as I stated above, from the moment that I founded the PL I had intended for it to be a bold advocate for people's rights (both economic and social) and a minimal, yet efficient government that would not infringe on them. I feel that we are the only party in the Lovian system that fully recognizes that it is the voice of every person (not just the rich, the poor, the middle-class, the majority or the minorities, but everyone's) that needs to be heard. Because the PL is a party for the people, it holds to the idea that the government should not seek to regulate the lives of its people, but only to protect them from harm, and to deliver to them as many benefits as possible to make their lives easier: something that a successful minimalized government, in theory, would be capable of doing. As always, this encompasses support for LGBT rights, civil liberties, social equality and equal opportunity.
  3. Economically, we feel that an uninterfering government will lead to more success economically, plus we will be able to sleep soundly at night for knowing that we are not dealing anyone regulations that will make running a successful business more difficult. We feel that if the government lets the market run its own course, only enforcing some quality standards, that the market will benefit the people and the businesses equally. In terms of labour laws, it would be wrong to say that we aren't on the side of the average middle-class employee for not supporting laws that would distinctly tilt the terms of employment in their favor, because a successful capitalist system will benefit both the employer and the employee.
  4. Our election campaign will be the difficult part. Not only is our "official" shift in ideology going to further distance us from some of the more radical leftists, but will hopefully bond us with some of the more rightist parties. Our lack of propoganda has always made the PL a little weak, and as much as I hate to admit it, I don't see much improvement in terms of support coming in the immediate future.
  5. Well, for one, I wish you yourself the best of luck in these upcoming elections! Thanks for the interview! Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 22:37, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

This is good, looks like an honest description of what the PL is, was and will be. :) I can create some Positive propaganda if you like - I'm rather unscrupulous about working for multiple employers. :P --Semyon 22:42, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man, I'd really appreciate it. :) Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 23:40, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any particular ideas? --Semyon 20:36, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

In case you still don't understand, the term is akin to moderate leftism in the United States. The leftists here are not considered centrist, instead, left-wing (as for SLP, centre-left). Also, I wanted the change to centre-right to be retroactive, as your platform didn't change. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:40, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Time, you are socially and economically leftist, and you've had the SLP throw around the word 'centrism' every now and then. And you are right, the PLs platform really didn't change. I don't know what you are suggesting. Also, Semyon, how about we do some ads with artwork like you'd see in vintage '50s advertisements, perhaps with a family smiling in it and the PL's seal shrunk down in the lower right hand corner? Even if something like this would be too much work, some retro-themed artwork would be fitting for the PL's ad campaign this year. Thanks again! Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 00:24, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
I thought I made it rather clear. . . make the change retroactive. Correct people who think you "moved" to centre-right, say in interviews you have always been centre-right, and make note that you were never centre. I don't use centrist to describe SLP much anymore as we sort of aren't. I guess I still have economic centrism on the SLP page, so I might change that or not. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:40, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
I already confirmed that the PL was always center-right in its philosophy in my above speech, which is why us having this argument again is really making no sense to me. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 01:41, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, it seemed like you didn't. That's good, then. Sorry about that. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 02:17, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Lovian Times Edit

I'll make it up to you then for that problem you seem to have taken by giving you an interview of sorts. A concise way of getting across the political standing of PL. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 01:52, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, thanks. When shall we begin? :) Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 13:30, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
Whenever you can answer these:
Your position has been difficult to clarify for some, in a sentence or two how would you describe your parties social and economic positions?
Last year, PL effectively failed to inspire voters from outside their large but limited starting base, how do you hope to attract new voters considering losses in support in the mid years?
In the coming Lovian elections you have three big names standing for PL this year, one down from last year is this a sign that PL is collapsing or simply has become more focused as a party?
PL has made progress this year largely with the federal police, this year round where are the big areas PL wants to make changes in and are there any parties you plan on working to achieve these?
Do you have a final message you want to give to the people to try and convince them to vote for you? (one sentence preferably)

there, reply away! :D Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 14:01, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

  1. We support the libertarian stance all across the board simply because it offers the people the most freedoms and places a limit on to what extent the government can interfere in their lives. A libertarian-based government doesn't necessarily even have to be a small, it just has to have a sense on what type of things it should leave to the community to decide. For instance, the morality of upholding LGBT rights and abortion are subjects of much debate in Lovia, but because we feel that it is wrong for the government to intervene and ban such practices just to support the personal moral code of the few, we'd like to let the people decide. If your against homosexuality, don't be a homosexual; if you feel that abortion is wrong, don't commit abortion. The same thing goes for the leftist view of the economy. Just because you are bothered by the thought of one person being wealthy and the other being poor doesn't mean that it would be right to enact crippling labour laws and to level the economic classes under a Communist regime. The moment that an individual or a group lets their our own personal morals dictate the actions of the many, they are infringing on the people's human rights, spreading corruption into the government and risking creating a system that doesn't work and will only lead to more hardship. Our desire to maintain a truly fair government and to deliver the most freedoms to the people is why we subscribe to the libertarian philosophy.
  2. As much as support means to us, compromising our party's ideology and catering to those who are against us isn't something that we feel will be beneficial to our movement. Instead, our strategy will be to engage the community however we can, give support in whatever way possible to those who would care to represent us, and to generally stay positive.
  3. I definitely like to think that the PL is continuously honing and perfecting its philosophy. Some of the more radical parties, namely the big two: Labour and the CCPL, simply don't agree with our view and will not support us. Last year, we were the third most successful party behind them, coming in with twelve seats, and because we don't advocate socialism or the terms of a christian democracy, I think that it is understandable why why haven't made much progress this year. I don't necessarily like it, but I understand it. We're in a tight spot because of our views. Whatever happens, I can almost promise that we will not see a collapse anytime in the near-future.
  4. Well, assuming that we score the office of the Ministry of Education again, I can see us making revolutionary changes in the Lovian education system. Though the curriculum of our current educational system is generally focused and stable, we have taken note of the issue of there being far to few public schools. Every region of Lovia is inhabited, but not every region of Lovia has even one public school. We would like to increase the number of primary and secondary schools, per island, proportionally to the population. Then we will be able to rest knowing that the daily commute for the more isolated student population will be significantly less, far safer and much less of a stressful hassel. My friend McComb is outspokely in support of this change, and I'll have his back in the upcoming elections.
  5. Lets all vote Positive this term!
Thanks again for the interview!

Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 15:24, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I'll try and throw this up asap! Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 15:28, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Your poster Edit

OK, I found a suitable image for your campaign poster. It consists of a smiling woman and a child (in 1950s style as requested) holding a sign, which is currently blank. There's also (a lot more) space to the side. Can you suggest a good text to go both on the placard and to the side - some sort of quote from Costello or the family (presumably keen PL supporters) or a list of policies, or a PL slogan? I could think of something myself, but it's probably better if you do it. :) --Semyon 17:44, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

"Let's all be positive!" is the running slogan, I'd use that. Again, thanks! Smile Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 19:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Everybody should be positive! Certainly. We should use something like that for the unofficial coalition slogan. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 20:01, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
I certainly couldn't argue with that. BTW, does our coalition have a name or a page yet, or did we decide on not taking that route? :D Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 20:18, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Please. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 19:25, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'll chat on my phone, but give me a minute. BTW, I just voted. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 19:28, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Happy65 Talk CNP LogoCNP 19:29, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


Sorry, I only just saw your post on the TNCT talk page. :/ I replied on the page. Feel free to write something for the paper at any time - or, if you give me a bit of time, I can come up with some questions for an interview. --Semyon 16:06, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

NCO Edit

Hi, please fill out your National Congressperson Order. Elections ended - you won five seats. You can also participate in government and coalition negotiations at Forum:Government. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:15, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Gay equality Edit

Hello! Namaste! Greetings!

My name is Elk Punarbhava and I am a member of the new social movement, Reboot, to which you are very much invited to join. We would be happy to have a new, people and nature loving member in our midst!

I want to introduce a bill in the 1st Chamber on same-sex marriage and gay equality. Before I write it, I am looking for a broad coalition of partners that will support it. I would like to make sure that all the rights that mixed-sex couples enjoy by law and in society, are also granted to homosexual couples. I am also adamant about defending the rights of these people and fighting all forms of discrimination. If possible, I will include this in the bill.

Can I count on you and the party you represent to stand by my side in this battle? Lovia needs change in the right direction. Making sure nobody is discriminated on the basis of sexual preference, or who he or she loves, is the first thing on my list, and hope it's on yours too. Let me know if I can count on you.

Thank you so very much, Punarbhava (talk) 13:49, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hey! I don't remember seeing you here so you must be new. Truth be told, I've been growing inactive, so I don't see how much support I can lend. Though the PL is pro-LGBT rights, and we can support you in that respect, we are libertarian and aren't really about forcing our will upon others. Because we are pro-individual rights and feel that laws should be minimal and simplified, it is in our party platform that we are against regulating the judgement of individual religious establishments as to wether or not they have to perform homosexual marriages, and we feel that individuals should have the right to hold or express personal biases or discrimination (even though we don't have to like it) as long as they don't go out and commit a crime. You can definitely count on the PL to support you in any instances where your proposals coincide with our basic libertarian principles. Unfortunately, your party looks extremely leftist by your article, but I still look forward to seeing if our movements are compatible and can cooperate. Good luck on the site as well! ;) Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 23:40, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
NCO? :P TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:41, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Christopher. You could call Reboot a leftist party, but we're also on the libertarian end of the spectrum. Government really needs to be rethought and so should institutions like the law, the constitution, the police, municipal and state government... Reboot really wants to put the power back in the hands of the COMMUNITY. A heterogenous group of free individuals. Punarbhava (talk) 07:54, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
On that we can't argue, though I would like to point out that your party "strives to change Lovian society radically, abolishing all previous forms of hierarchy and status quo, redesigning the way the economy works, and establishing a society that is in full harmony with nature." - which very clearly depicts far-left environmentalist communism, even if you might not think so. I don't think that you can be libertarian because your idealized world view depicts an infinitely cooperative, unified and productive society, which is unobtainable without a strong and restrictive totalitarian governmental authority. The primary difference between our views is that our party best allows for the people to hold different viewpoints and opinions, have a fair and balanced society and still function at the end of the day, with the key being minimal government regulation and less empathy-based "biases against biases," which have the potential to be even more detrimental to the state of the economy and society. Or, at least, thats how I reason it to be. You will have the support of the PL and this site's libertarians in instances where your proposal's don't compromise our viewpoints, thats all that I can assure you. Cheers, Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 21:25, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

On the proposal in the second chamber. I feel I should at least inform you why we've come to this decision. It was largely made off of the fact that you weren't fantastically active in the last two months along with the fact that you hadn't put an application in for a ministry position. However I've suggested that we have tri-monthly reviews to make sure people who are active and interested get or keep positions so if we don't make a change to the roster at least then you can get back in. I hope you haven't assumed anything from this. As always I'm on your side in congress. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 21:42, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sylvanian ResidencyEdit

Due to new State Laws, I am required to ask you to give me information so that you may be given Sylvanian Residency which is now required to stand and vote in elections in Sylvania, these include:

  • Election of Governors
  • Election of State Councils
  • Election of Local Councils

To obtain Sylvanian Residency you must give me the following information:

  • All your legal residences in Sylvania the date you began living in them
  • Your name

Thank you for your co-operation. - From the Governor of Sylvania, Lukas Hoffmann Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 21:47, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

As I go off for awhile, I realized Pikapi hasn't been around for awhile :o anyone know where he went, he was a nice user! Marcus/Michael Villanova 04:35, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I still exist, I've just been pretty busy on other wiki projects and I haven't been able to sustain activity here. I'm still interested in politics, if anything I am more knowledgable, so I'll see about making a return sometime this month. It was good hearing from you! :) Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 14:29, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
Do make a return, classical liberalism needs more proponents! and on top of that State Council elections are occurring! GET YOUR SEATS! :D Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 15:04, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
Well I was because I missed Lovia's Barney Stinson :D Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:40, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
Its nice to see that everyone missed me. I'll see about making it into the elections. Where am I to sign up? Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 14:43, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
I'll post everyone info tomorrow, for now I need the above information. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 22:02, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
Costello began living in the 14th-15th floors of Costello Tower on August 11, 2012. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 12:27, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sylvanian State ElectionsEdit

Our Roots Grow Deep
State elections are currently starting for all of Sylvania and everyone is encouraged to take part either as a voter or as a candidate for the Sylvania State Council! This small information pack should get you ready to participate and contribute to the event!

The State elections are divided up into two elections, one for the Council of Representatives and one for the Senate. The election of the Council of Representatives concerns all Lovians and Sylvanian Residents. While the election of the Senate largely concerns only Sylvanian Residents.

There is help at hand so try to take part even if you're not sure, you will be pointed in the right direction and will be given assistance to help things run smoothly.

~ Election of the Council of Representatives ~

What's up for grabs?

  • All 40 of the Council of Representatives seats are up for election

When and how do I stand for election?

  • Today is the 15th of July, the first day on which you can sign up a candidate list for election, act now because on the 21st the candidacy period will end
  • Go here and sign up a candidate list in the correct style however to stand for election you MUST have been a resident of Sylvania for at least two months prior to today
    • You can stand as a candidate in as many as five Districts, so choose those that matter most to you

When and how do I vote?

  • Sylvaniarelatedareas

    All six related areas

    Voting will begin in a weeks time on the 22nd of July and will end on the 28th of July
  • You will be able to vote in each and every district, as each are like their own mini-elections
  • As long as you are at least a citizen you can vote however the amount of votes you have depend on your official residence
    • If you have an official house within a related area and are a Sylvanian Resident then you are eligible to vote with a major vote, a minor vote as well as a support vote within all districts of that related area
    • If you have an official house within Sylvania and are a Sylvanian Resident then you are eligible to vote with a minor vote as well as a support vote in all districts
    • If you are a Lovian citizen then you are eligible to vote with a support vote in all districts
  • Go here to vote but REMEMBER you can only vote for any candidate once, if you are confused however simply cast your votes and we will be at hand to help smooth out any problems

What will the council do once it's elected?

  • It will propose legislation to the Sylvanian Constitution and the Sylvanian State Law
  • It will vote on legislation in the Sylvanian Constitution and the Sylvanian State Law
  • It will have an influence over how Sylvania is governed
  • It will advise the Governor on actions to take in Sylvania

~ Election of the Senate ~

What's up for grabs?

  • All 10 of the Senate seats are up for election

When and how do I stand for election?

  • Today is the 15th of July, the first day on which you can sign up a candidacy for election, act now because on the 21st the candidacy period will end
  • Go here and sign up a candidacy in the correct style however to stand for election you MUST have been a resident of Sylvania for at least twelve months prior to today
    • You can stand as a candidate in as many as five Districts, so choose those that matter most to you

When and how do I vote?

  • Voting will begin in a weeks time on the 22nd of July and will end on the 28th of July
  • You will be able to vote in each and every district, as each are like their own mini-elections
  • As long as you have Sylvanian Residency you can vote however the amount of votes you have depend on your official residence
    • If you have an official house within a related area and are a Sylvanian Resident then you are eligible to vote with a major vote, a minor vote as well as a support vote within all districts of that related area
    • If you have an official house within Sylvania and are a Sylvanian Resident then you are eligible to vote with a minor vote as well as a support vote in all districts
  • Go here to vote but REMEMBER you can only vote for any candidate once, if you are confused however simply cast your votes and we will be at hand to help smooth out any problems

What will the council do once it's elected?

  • It will vote on legislation in the Sylvanian Constitution and the Sylvanian State Law
  • It will have an influence over how Sylvania is governed
  • It will advise the Governor on actions to take in Sylvania

~ Extra Info ~

  • For more help concerning this issue contact Lukas Hoffmann, the Governor of Sylvania

Thank you for your time. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 16:50, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

You can't stand for Senate at the moment. But when the elections come around in November then you will be able to. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 19:43, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Pool. :D Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 17:22, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

CNP in the Sylvania State ElectionsEdit

Our CampaignEdit

Expand education, Create services, Sponsor Business, Support Sylvania

What Have we Done?

Here in the State

  • We have worked hard to ensure that democracy is strong in Sylvania, we have devolved powers down to local levels so that people who care about places can have their say on what goes
  • We have established the very state council we are now electing members to, so that the Governor cannot act in an authoritarian manner on issues important to all
  • We have worked on expanding information about the State, such as road maps, railway maps, what settlements are like what and have worked towards documenting a colourful and detailed history of the state
  • We have worked across the party line to establish a much needed railway line to Charleston, ensuring that it's economy can grow and prosper and that transportation is more accessible to all
  • We have revived the fruitful, interesting and varied culture of the State, and are asking others to help us in this revival
  • We have started the repair work on Train Village and are planning further works as part of the local government to improve it as a part of the state

Across the entire Nation

  • We have updated our national police so that they are a modern force that can combat the problems Lovia faces, the new potential of our police has been proven recently and stability is at it's highest since before the civil war
  • We are working with parties across the spectrum to establish vital legislation that Lovia needs or else it will be inable to run as a modern and liberal nation
  • We are working towards supporting Unions so that all workers have the chance to defend their livelihoods however protecting Unions from being exploited by unhealthy interests as well

Our Policies

There isn't much time until the November State elections, and each round of proposing and voting on legislation takes two weeks, so we are setting out three main points we want to work towards. This is to allow time for other issues and to hopefully get one Act passed a month.

State Education Act

  • Legislate for the establishment of a school support system, including a voucher system to expand choice and school start-up grants, to help get the necessary schools started so that all Sylvanians can be assured of a quality education
    • Should the private sector fail to make use of the grants, I'd like to build community owned schools using State funds, operated by the community and for the community

Public Services Act

  • Legislate for the establishment of a proper healthcare system, which will include the funding for the creation of clinics in all major settlements (villages and above), so that every Sylvanian knows they can get care wherever they are
  • Legislate for the establishment of a Sylvanian fire service, which will operate out of every major settlement, work to expand knowledge about fire safety and assure protection for all Sylvanians
  • Legislate for the establishment of a Sylvanian waste service, which will operate out of every major settlement and keep Sylvania's streets clean and ensure that as much recycling is done as possible with waste produced
  • Legislate for the establishment of a Sylvanian water service, which will operate in every major settlement and will provide clean hot and cold running tap water for all of Sylvania

Commercial Activity Act

  • Legislate for the establishment of a business support system, including a start-up grant system, to generate more independent businesses in Sylvania and allow every Sylvanian the chance to pursue an independent life in business
So if you like what we've done, like what you see us planning to do then and want Sylvania to have a better education system, better public services and more support for businesses then
Give us your Major, Minor or Support, anything will do, because a vote from you means another voice for you in government and another ear for you to speak to

More PersonallyEdit

Pikapi, we're practically the same, just I'm a little more nationalist and you're a little more minarchist. There are two districts I'm in where we aren't competing and there are three districts where we are but there are multiple seats, I'd hope that you could support me in both of those due to our interests. If things go right we'll be part of the coalition that forms a government. Hoffmann LogoCNP KunarianTALK 13:37, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think it goes without saying that I will vote for you in districts where we aren't competing, and I certainly expect that you'd do the same for me. If this works out I'd like to see us forge a libertarian coalition. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 00:34, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Pikapi, I think you misformatted some of your votes on the State Elections page. There are a few votes with missing signatures and one where the vote has the wrong level of indent. 77topaz (talk) 06:15, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

And the Train Village District representatives vote has two support votes. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 07:00, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
I'll fix. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 19:02, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Give me a buzz when you're online, I'd like to have a chat with you on chat. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 11:44, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Need to tell you something very important in chat. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 14:53, July 30, 2013 (UTC)


Hey could you go to this page and fill in the names and parties of your representatives and senators along with who is your party leader in the council please? also if you could don't use Costello, have the rest of your party fill the seats. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 19:35, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

OSC - SCO Edit

Could you please add to the list for your party (PL)? Thank you :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 09:31, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 13:39, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Pikapi, can you put who the Judge of Sylvania is going to be (it's you! :D) on this page: Forum:Sylvania State Council also the voting in support of the proposed First Minister and Speaker will happen tomorrow, hope you can throw in your votes! Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:45, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 13:50, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why is CE Logistics going under other service activities when it's probably a transport and storage sector company? Also I've put "Pikapi" on this page where you need to input. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 13:09, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I intended for it to be an information technology division, but I suppose Logistics better suits transportation. I'll replace CE Shipping with CE Logistics, get rid of Shipping altogether, and make it a sector H company in that case. Its fixed. Christopher Costello (PikapiChatWhat's up) 14:00, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
Saw you supported me in the Pub. Much appreciated. Care to extend that support some more? I'd be most obliged and Lovia would be better off for it. The glorious First Consul of Rome (talk) 07:22, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hey come to the SSC to have a look at the new Public services bill that's under construction. This bill needs a little help being made as anything I've missed needs to be covered. It'd also just be good to hear your general ideas. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 08:55, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Bill in 2nd Chamber Edit

Hello Chris, could you cast a vote on the judicial reform bill in the Second Chamber? Thanks for your help. :) --Semyon 13:53, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Do you want to write history? Edit

What is arguably the largest trial in Lovian history is coming up. Philip Bradly-Lashawn, the Royal bastard of a previous King, threatens my rule. He has filed charged against me and a case at the Supreme Court has been start, the Philip Bradly-Lashawn v. Sebastian Noble trial. I need a legal defense team, the best money can be. I need eloquent people. Someone flashy, someone classy. Mr. Hoffman's with me, but I also need Mr. Costello to bring some joie de vivre to court. If I lose this case, I lose the throne and Philip's utterly unfit to rule this nation. I count on you for your support. Together we can win this! Naranja Naranja!

Yours truly,
King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 16:08, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Pikapi can you vote in favour of the educational reform in the Second Chamber, it's not as liberal as I'd like but it's a step in the right direction by a large margin and much better than the original system we are trying to replace. It's also in line with your policies. It gives much more market freedom concerning schools via the school voucher system which also provides a heavy amount of choice and allows people to easily develop schools where they are needed. It also adds in school requirements for certain settlements, which is linked to your policies. Please vote in favour of it as it changes rigid regulation to flexible outlines to systems that would be otherwise be much more regulated under current legislation. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 13:46, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

It's about to begin. Head's up. Smile King Sebastian I of Lovia (talk) 09:37, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sylvania State ElectionsEdit


Hey just as we're coming to the end of the candidacy period for the Sylvania State Council I'd like to draw your attention to my campaign for both seats in the Council and for the position as Governor of Sylvania. In our culture policy we're aiming to really bring knowledge about local and state culture to our youngsters, we want more libraries and museums as well as local and state history being taught in schools. With our economic policy, we want to bring business and unions together and we want to support entrepreneurs and fight multinationals. And in policing, we really want to crack down on anti-social behaviour and invest in a police academy. Not to mention we want to actually build the health service we've recently legislated for.

I'd like you to take a look at my campaign in speakers corner where you can ask me questions about my policies and how the CNP will govern in Sylvania. You can also take a look at our policies in more detail, we're currently constructing our policies so if you want to query us about a policy not yet detailed then feel free to go ahead.



Remember any vote (Major, Minor or Support!) spared will help bring Sylvania forwards, we want to work very closely with other parties in Sylvania and bring forwards a strong plan to make the next year within Sylvania even better, brighter and exciting than the last. Just remember to vote!


Thank you. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:33, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Again if you show up, it'd be really good to have your vote, or I'm not going to be able to properly carry out the policies we both believe in. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 07:54, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

I assure you that I would intend to keep the State Council, so any democratic progress would not be halted. 77topaz (talk) 09:31, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

It's not much of a promise considering that I plan to keep the democratic process too. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:02, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
I'm saying that you'd be able to carry out, or at least propose in the State Council, your policies, regardless of the actual Governor (not including Donia since he doesn't have any policies or votes as far as I know). 77topaz (talk) 10:18, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
But the supreme executive power to develop Sylvania still resides with the Governor. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:26, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
In most cases, only after the State Council has voted. And even so, a Governor's veto of something can still be circumvened, at least in the current version of the system, which might change. And anyway, I do not see how the particular governor would make much of a difference with regards to State Law etcetera, since anyone can propose things in the State Council, right? There are a few duties associated directly associated with the Governor, such as updating the census centers, but I do not believe there would be a particular difference in power, if I interpret that term in the same way you do. Unless there is yet another aspect which I am unaware of? 77topaz (talk) 10:34, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
Executive power is key, look up what that means then you'll understand what I mean by the term. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:55, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

The Governor still has the final say in the state government according to Constitution. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 12:53, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

TM's right, unless you've got a very well-built State Law, but I wouldn't be too supportive for that :P --OuWTB 17:51, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
But, if you look at the Sylvania's state laws, the State Council can still, with some extra effort, pass a bill even if the Governor vetoes it. 77topaz (talk) 20:22, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
Breaking the law. :o --Semyon 20:32, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
It is largely a case of needing a responsible Governor, to not use the constitution to override a motion in the State Council. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 21:07, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

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