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In [[Lovia]], [[Congress]] is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The '''Second Chamber''' is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the [[Capitol]] in [[Downtown]] [[Noble City]], in which the [[Members of the Congress]] vote bills that originated in the [[First Chamber]]. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see [[2012 First Congress]].
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In [[Lovia]], [[Congress]] is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The '''Second Chamber''' is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the [[Capitol]] in [[Downtown]] [[Noble City]], in which the [[Members of the Congress]] vote bills that originated in the [[First Chamber]]. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see [[2013 Congress]].
   
 
Whereas all national [[citizen]]s may propose bills in the First Chamber, only [[Members of the Congress]] may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the [[Constitution]] states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."
 
Whereas all national [[citizen]]s may propose bills in the First Chamber, only [[Members of the Congress]] may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the [[Constitution]] states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."
   
A normal majority ("fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the [[Federal Law]]. To vote on [[Constitution]]al [[amendment]]s, a [[special majority]] ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the [[2010 State Reform]] ([[Sixth Amendment]]). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.
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A normal majority ("fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the [[Federal Law]]. To vote on [[Constitution]]al [[amendment]]s, a [[special majority]] ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the [[2010 State Reform]] ([[Sixth Amendment]]). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.
 
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== 001. Government ==
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== 002. Hoffmann II Government ==
This is the government proposal, known as the [[Ilava I Government]], that will rule for the duration of the [[2012 First Congress]], unless a dissolution is passed. The proposal includes the [[Speaker of the Congress]] and each ministerial position.
 
   
* [[Prime Minister]]: [[Oos Wes Ilava]] - CCPL
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*[[Prime Minister]]
* [[Minister of Defence]]: [[Lukas Hoffmann]] - CNP
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
* [[Minister of Foreign Affairs]]: [[Semyon Breyev]] - ind.
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*[[Ministry of Agriculture]]
* [[Minister of Finance]]: [[Percival E. Galahad]] - LAP
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**[[Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari]] (Viva)
* [[Minister of Justice]]: [[Bill An]] - PL
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*[[Ministry of Commerce]]
* [[Minister of Health]]: [[James Torres]] - LDP
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**[[Neil Hardy]] (Happy)
* [[Minister of Education]]: [[Matthew McComb]] - PL
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*[[Ministry of Culture]]
* [[Minister of Culture]]: [[Oos Wes Ilava]] - CCPL
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**[[Bart Koenen]] (Bart)
* [[Minister of Labour]]: [[Pierlot McCrooke]] - CPL.nm
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*[[Ministry of Defense]]
* [[Minister of Commerce]]: [[Christopher Costello]] - PL
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
* [[Minister of Agriculture]]: [[Jhon Lewis]] - Labour
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*[[Ministry of Education]]
* [[Minister of Energy and Resources]]: [[Ben Opať]] - MCP
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
* [[Minister of Environment]]: [[Ygo August Donia]] - CCPL
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*[[Ministry of Energy and Resources]]
* [[Minister of Transportation]]: [[Justin Abrahams]] - Labour
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**[[Neil Hardy]] (Happy)
* [[Minister of Tourism and Sport]]: [[Marcus Villanova]] - Labour
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*[[Ministry of Environment]]
* [[Speaker of the Congress]]: [[William Krosby]] - LDP
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Social Affairs]]
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**[[Katie Conroy]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Family, Youth, and Elderly]]
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**[[Oos Wes Ilava]] (Oos)
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*[[Ministry of Finance]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
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*[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Health]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Justice]]
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**[[Charles Jones]] (4Kant)
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*[[Ministry of Labour]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Minority Affairs]]
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**[[Martijn Mans]] (Martijn)
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*[[Ministry of Tourism and Sport]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Transportation]]
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**[[Oos Wes Ilava]] (Oos)
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*[[Ministry of Science]]
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**[[Peter Blanch]] (Semyon)
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*[[Speaker of the Congress]]
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
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Feel free to change the names as appropriate.
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The above list is my proposed government. It is designed to try and represent the spread of power in the Congress between the parties and allocate Ministries to those with the most interest in said areas and to make sure everyone has something they can focus on. This government is designed to not allow a lurch to the left or right in great degrees but to focus the best policies in the places where they are most needed at the current times.
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My proposed budget will be one that aims for a minor deficit, investing in the economy to help it grow, with the intention to pay the debt off next Congress. We shall ensure low taxes on the poorest and try and raise L$2-3 billion (from the current L$8 billion in the economy) to fund government expenditure. I will ask that States do not levy taxes while we rebalance and repair the States that are in most need. We will aim to devolve spending down to Ministries and States where applicable and encourage Ministers to take an active role in allocating resources.
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I will personally be introducing the following bills to Congress over the coming months as part of my main aims. They are listed in no particular order.
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*'''Constitutional Reform Bills'''
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**'''Congressional Reform Bill''' - a bill to reduce the effect of inactives on Congress
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**'''Second State Reform Bill''' - a bill to rebalance power between state and federal level
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*'''State Investment Fund Bill''' - a bill to introduce controlled economic investment by States
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*'''Adult Education Bill''' - a bill to introduce supported adult education, particularly education of the unemployed
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*'''Trade Disputes Bill''' - a bill to give unions and workers powers over their labour, and to regulate disputes
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*'''Health Reform Bills'''
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**'''National Health Service Bill''' - a bill to create a national health service, replacing state models
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**'''Tripartite Care Bill''' - a bill to ensure physical, mental and social care are integrated
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*'''Housing Reform Bills'''
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**'''Social Rents Bill''' - a bill to create a requirement for state and federal governments to provide social rents to the neediest
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**'''Home Building Bill''' - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating homes
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*'''Defence Bills'''
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**'''Firearms Reform Bill''' - a bill to change and better regulate how firearms are controlled in Lovia
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**'''Militia Reform Bill''' - a bill to provide for greater ability to persecute insurgents and militia groups
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*'''Education Reform Bills'''
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**'''School Building Bill''' - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating schools
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**'''Educational Board Reform Bill''' - a bill to create one universal educational board to provide official qualifications regulation
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Everyone who is in Congress will obviously be able to partake in these debates, and we'll hopefully - as we have in the past - come to a reasonable conclusion on each debate and create many good laws and reforms. These bills that I will introduce do not obviously mean others cannot contribute other bills. I encourage people to come to Congress with issues or ideas so we may debate them and see if legislation is needed.
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
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====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*{{Pro}} 11 Votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:48, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} (7 votes) [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 13:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 14 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 23:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
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*<s>{{Pro}} (8 votes) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (SLP)</s>
*{{Pro}} 8 Votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 00:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*<s>{{pro}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:54, May 6, 2015 (UTC)</s>
*{{Pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:08, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (7 votes) [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 14:36, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 3 votes [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 11:07, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (7 votes, read speech in Pub) '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 20:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}}<span style="font-style: normal; "> 11 Votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 12:39, February 3, 2012 (UTC)</span>
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*{{Pro}} (4 votes) --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 08:39, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 5 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} 5 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:40, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{Contra}} 1 vote (Ron Nash) ''I opppose a governemnt with conservatives'' [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 11:07, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} (2 votes) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (CPL.nm: Excludes AMWM and CPL.nm)
*{{contra}} 1 vote [[Joshua Katz]], 16:41, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} (1 vote) [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]]
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{{Accepted}} By a 79% majority! <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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====Abstain====
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*{{Abstention}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 7 votes. (This is better than the Hardy proposal, but not yet quite satisfactory. For example, I'd rather have Environment than Energy and Resources, and again the MoTaS thing.) [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 4 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 23:16, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 8 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (SLP: now supporting AMWM)
   
===Comments===
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{{Declined}} Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
What I learned today: Me + Oos + krosby + Kurnian = half of congress [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 10:55, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Gotta take advantage of that è :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:25, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
I know right :D By the way why is education now education and science again? all of the departments use science to try and improve their ministries. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 14:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It will support science in the genericity (in het algemeen in dutch) [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 14:35, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I understand but it would be easier just to call it the minitry of education. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 14:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Doesn't matter. In Lovia we can use an abbreviation like "MES" (ministry /of/ education /and/ science). Anyway, we need to have a place for science in a ministery and in the Netherlands it's very common to group it with education. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:28, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
@Marcus: Could be useful, except your political views are all totally different. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Pikapi changed it back, because he thought you can't change active proposals. That is true, but in this case you can, because name has little meaning. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
   
Well the point i was making was a good and bad one. A good one beacuse we invest our power in the more advanced and experienced users, who are also more active. Thorugh the two elections i've seen the Younger at the time inactive users only have maybe 7 seats but now have let's say 9 or 10, Movin' on Up!!! Bad cuse we might also invest too much power in too little users. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 22:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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The final line up. I hope others make it clear what their final proposals are and move them to the second chamber as well. So that all Congressmembers can see what their choice really is. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 13:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
== 002. Educational Reform Act (Part I) ==
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There has been a slight modification to the proposal I encourage people to vote again. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
<big>The 2012 Educational Reform Act - (Part I)</big><br />
 
An act requiring the education of Lovia to be reformed and for the [[SKA|Standard Knowledge Assessment]] to be implemented as the official state-sponsored and subsidized test.
 
* The theories of creationism and evolution will only be taught with permission from the parent/legal guardian.
 
* The SKA may not include any topics about evolution or creationism.
 
* If a school's average grades are below 80 (C-F), the school must offer tutoring every morning and afternoon, unless excused by a reasonable reason from a parent/legal guardian.
 
* Students may choose to be absent for religious holidays, including Passover, Easter, Chinese/Lunar New Year, Christmas, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, etc. They will not be marked absent. Any missing schoolwork will not be required to be turned in, or the due date will be delayed.
 
=== Voting ===
 
{{Voting}}
 
==== Pro ====
 
*{{Pro}} - 3 votes - -- [[Bill An]] 05:21, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - For our children's right to propaganda would be great too! [[Lee Feng]] 05:21, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==== Contra ====
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==004. Conroy I Government==
*{{Contra}} 8 Votes - please fix the thing, write it more as a law and make things less vague then propose it to the second chamber again. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 10:26, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Contra}} (4 votes). This law is against reasonable principles. The part about the telling of thew theories is possibly illegal. Children should be not withheld information due to their parents [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 11:26, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Contra}} 14 votes - It's just random school related laws, like why? [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 12:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==== Abstention ====
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''Some minor adjustments have been made to the ministry positions. Users with more than position, feel free to change character names for spares''
*{{abstain}} 17 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:02, February 5, 2012 (UTC) still too vague: is this just a standardized test or really an entire school program?
 
*{{abstain}} 4 votes --[[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 11:05, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstain}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:23, February 5, 2012 (UTC) not fleshed out enough. edit: Pierlot's point is very good.
 
*{{abstain}} I oppose the teaching of creationism, 'religious holidays' must be better defined, the SKA testing looks inhumane, and I have no idea what it actually is. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:49, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
=== Comment ===
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*[[Prime Minister]]
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**[[Katie Conroy]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Agriculture]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Commerce]]
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**[[Charles Jones]] (4kant)
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*[[Ministry of Culture]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Defence]]
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
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*[[Ministry of Education]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
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*[[Ministry of Energy and Resources]]
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
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*[[Ministry of Environment]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Social Affairs]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Family, Youth, and Elderly]]
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**[[Sarah Lambert]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Finance]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]
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**[[Liam Mitchell]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Health]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Justice]]
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**[[Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari]] (Viva)
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*[[Ministry of Labour]]
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**[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Minorities]]
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**[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Tourism and Sport]]
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**[[Neil Hardy]] (Happy)
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*[[Ministry of Transportation]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Science]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Speaker of the Congress]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
   
Another, more amusing, flaw just occurred to me. When I was young and less responsible than I am now, I would quite happily have claimed to be a member of every religion on the planet to get days off school. And I'm pretty sure that any student with real dedication could find a religious holiday for every day of the year. :D --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:16, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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This is my government proposal. It is a response to calls from throughout our country for a more progressive government, and includes plans for much needed reform.
   
== 006. Settlement Act Addition ==
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The following are the policy areas on which I wish to focus over the coming months. I seek to propose the following acts in Congress, in hope of a re-energised and vibrant Lovia.
The addition is as followed (also note: this is how is was done when the smart expereniced users were in charge so yeah it's actually for the better of Lovia)
 
   
*# The current existing Cities are:
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*'''State Governments Act'''- We seek to open a dialogue with groups from across the spectrum in order to reform how state governments work. Ultimately, our goal is for State Councils to have control over issues such as culture, language, environment and education, with the federal government taking on more responsibility for policy areas such as housing, healthcare and welfare.
*## [[Newhaven]] and [[Noble City]]
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*'''National Healthcare Act'''- As mentioned above, we will legislate for a national framework of physical, mental and social healthcare, incorporating the existing state healthcare systems. We hope this will end disparity and inequality between the healthcare services of state governments.
*# The current existing Towns are:
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*'''Higher Education Act'''- We will provide further investment in our universities, and open a discussion on tuition fees, with the aim of abolishing them, or at the very least putting a cap on them. This act will also promote higher vocational education and work-based training
*## [[Sofasi]] and [[Hurbanova]]
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*'''Housing Act'''- We will seek to resolve problems with housing across Lovia, with a system of social housing, and increased federal investment in homebuilding.
*# The current existing Neighborhoods are:
 
*## [[Artista]], [[Bayside]], [[Citizen Corner]], [[Downtown]], [[Industrial Park]], [[King's Gardens]], [[Little Europe]], [[Little Frisco]], [[Long Road]], [[Mandarin Village]], [[New Town]], [[Old Harbor]], [[The Mall]], [[Trading Quarter]], [[Transcity]], [[Abby Springs]], [[Malipa]], [[Newhaven (neighborhood)]], [[Old Port]], [[Pines]], [[Canterbury]], [[Drake Town]], [[Hightech Valley]], [[Hurket-on-Kings]], [[Millstreet]], [[Newport]], [[Nicholasville]], [[Orange Gardens]], [[Muza]]
 
*# The current existing Hamlets are:
 
*## [[Beaverwick]], [[Clave Rock]], [[East Hills]], [[Plains]]
 
*# The current existing Villages are:
 
*## [[Adoha]], [[Charleston]], [[Kinley]], [[Portland]], [[Train Village]], [[Novosevensk]].
 
=== Voting ===
 
{{Voting}}
 
==== Pro ====
 
*{{Pro}} &ndash; 14 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 14:41, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* Weak {{pro}} &ndash; 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} &ndash; 8 Votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 15:35, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* <s>{{pro}} &ndash; 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 15:43, February 11, 2012 (UTC)</s>
 
* {{pro}} (4 votes) to approving Sjorkskingma's version. --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 16:14, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==== Contra ====
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In addition, I will also seek to implement minor legislation in the following policy areas:
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*'''Minor amendments to Primary and Secondary Education Acts'''- Creation of Qualified Teacher Status (QTS) to guarantee high standards of teaching in all Lovian schools
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*'''Support for working families'''- We will introduce childcare vouchers to ensure that parents of young children are able to balance work with their family life. We will also consider a system of paid parental leave for new parents, to be shared between both parents.
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==== Abstention ====
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This vision for a better Lovia brings a fresh perspective to the table. This vision seeks to address the causes of inequality and conflict in our country, and is a fairer deal for all.
*{{abstention}} 11 votes - not as an addition to the settlement act. Only a recognition of existing localities. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:57, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{abstention}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 17:06, February 11, 2012 (UTC) I fully agree with TM, we need a recognition of Plains, not an addition to the law.
 
* {{abstain}} (5 votes) If we want Plains to become official, we recognize it in the vote below. We don't need an unnecessary addition to the settlement act. — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 17:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
=== Comment ===
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We hope this plan for stable leadership will provide for a more prosperous, progressive Lovia that all citizens can benefit from- '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Fine, would you two be open to making a National Congressperson Order but just for Cities and Hamlets and such? It would just keep things clarified, which is all I want. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 17:23, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==007. Recognition of Plains ==
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===Voting===
I find it ridiculous that we have something important that we all agree on, the recognition of Plains as a hamlet, but a really small point causes deadlock. (Deja vu anyone?) So, let's at least pass this, and argue over the rest later on:
 
   
:''Congress recognizes Plains as a hamlet located in the north of Asian Island''
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{{Voting}}
   
--[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:17, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Pro===
 
*{{pro}} - 6 votes, --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:17, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 5 votes, — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 17:24, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 17 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 17:39, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 11 votes sounds good. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:10, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 4 votes --[[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 18:20, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 8 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 20:21, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
{{accepted}} with a 51% majority, in just over three hours. Not bad. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 21:49, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Contra===
 
===Abstention===
 
*{{abstain}} (14 Votes) Read perivous vote comment above ^^^^ i think we can find a comprimise there. --[[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 17:31, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Perhaps, but I think it's unnecessary.
 
:*No just willy-nilly approving new settlements and not even putting it in a law book in unnecessary. a NSO i needed and will be approved. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:13, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*If it's needed, then how come we've done fine without it before? We can just recognize the existing municipalities and localities, like before, periodically. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:15, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*IDk i find it quite uncivilized =P, idk why there should be oppiosition to this, it just helps people, at the most it dosen't do harm just good. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:18, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Probably because it's like the Congressional Journal, which in theory is helpful but turned out to be not that helpful. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:24, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Marcus, why don't you at least vote pro for this, so we can make Plains official? Then we can consider your plan afterwards. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:07, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*I'm not saying no to this, Like first we adopt the outline and then fill it in with plains and other settlements. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 19:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*There is no need for an outline (we have the settlement act and lists in several places, NO NEED), and what's wrong with first approving plains, and then adopting the outline? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:34, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Uhhh Wait so can we then approve the NSO after this? [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 19:38, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Depends if it gets the required support. But possibly. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:44, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Well I support Plains, but the NSO also needs to pass too. I would also like to propose a settlement after the NSO passes, I think it promotes new settlements and boosts the lovian population. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 19:48, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==008. Eleventh Amendment - Judicial Reform==
 
=== Article 9 ===
 
'''Article 9''' – Supreme Court Trials
 
# The Supreme Court is an independent institution and the nation's only and supreme judicial organ, led by '''three''' Supreme Court Judges.
 
# A lawsuit is a civil or public action brought before a court of law in which a plaintiff, a party who claims to have received damages from a defendant's actions, seeks a legal or equitable remedy, from the defendant who is required to respond to the plaintiff's complaint.
 
# A lawsuit can be opened by a plaintiff or a public plaintiff.
 
## Any person in Lovia may be a plaintiff in a lawsuit.
 
## A public plaintiff is a representative of the federal government or any institution of it or any other level of administration in Lovia.
 
### The federal attorney is the public plaintiff representing the federal government, the entire population or any other administrative institution of the federal level in court. He or she is appointed by the Minister of Justice.
 
# A defendant is the party accused by the plaintiff.
 
## A public defendant has the same status as a public plaintiff.
 
# '''The Judges, plaintiff and defendent must all be different people. If one of Judges are involved in the case, he/she must resign and a replacement be nominated.'''
 
# Both parties may opt to be represented in court by a lawyer.
 
# Every lawsuit before the Supreme Court must proceed in this manner and order:
 
## The plaintiff opens the lawsuit.
 
### The plaintiff makes an accusation and names the defendant in the lawsuit.
 
### The plaintiff may make a demand. This can be a period of imprisonment, a fine or/and any other punishment not contradicting the laws of Lovia.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must investigate the accusation. They may find the accusation not suited for Supreme Court; that is when the accusations made are in no way a violation of the law.
 
## The Supreme Court must notify the defendant that he or she is accused in court.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must read out the case, including accusations and demands.
 
## The plaintiff's party must speak before court in order to convince the Supreme Court Judges of the truthfulness of the made claims. He or she may bring forward witnesses, that can be asked questions directly relating to the accusations, and/or evidence material. He or she may ask the defendant's party questions directly relating to the accusations.
 
## The defendant's party may speak before court. The defendant or his or her lawyer may plea guilty to the accusations, or unguilty. He or she may also try to convince the Supreme Court Judges of extenuating circumstances. The defendant is free to bring forward witnesses and evidence, both directly relating to the accusations or to the extenuating circumstances.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must consider both pleas thorougly and by interpreting the laws of Lovia.
 
## The plaintiff's party may demand a second round, for which the same rules account.
 
## The defendant's party may demand a second round, for which the same rules account, but only if the plaintiff's party has made use of their second round.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must consider the entirity of the lawsuit. The Judges must, within two week's time since the last plea, come to a conclusion. They may conclude:
 
### That the defendant is guilty of the accusations, or of a part of the accusations;
 
### That the defendant is not guilty of any accusations.
 
##'''All Judges must agree on the conclusion, except in the following circumstances:'''
 
###'''One of the Judges does not make an edit for a full week. In this situation, the agreement of the two remaining Judges will suffice.'''
 
###'''The Judges disagree completely over the verdict to give. In this case, the Judges must announce their inability to judge the case and stand down. Three new Judges must be appointed and continue with the case.'''
 
## If the Supreme Court Judges find the defendant guilty, he or she may choose to sentence the defendant, by means of:
 
### A period of imprisonment in a federal penitentiary;
 
### A fine;
 
### Any other sentence, including penal labor or contributions to Lovian society.
 
## All sentences issued by the Supreme Court:
 
### Must be in agreement with the laws of Lovia;
 
### Must be in proportion to the violation;
 
### Must respect the personal integrity of the individual; therefore death penalty, corporal punishment and inhumane forms of humiliation are prohibited.
 
#<del>The Supreme Court Judge is appointed by the Federal Secretary of Justice. This appointment must be confirmed by Congress, by a normal majority.</del>
 
#'''Potential candidates for the position of Supreme Court Judges must give their names to the Minister for Justice, who will officially announce the candidacies in Congress.'''
 
##'''The three candidates that receive the most votes, after a voting period of two weeks, will become Judges.'''
 
##'''Not more than one candidate may stand from each political party.'''
 
## The term of '''each''' Supreme Court Judge <del>does not necessarily coincide with the Congressional term, nor with the duration of a federal government. The Supreme Court Judge must maintain his or her duty until another is appointed and confirmed; only then is his or her service terminated.</del> '''lasts for six months, or shorter, if he/she resigns due to personal reasons or a conflict of interests, or if the Judges declare their inability to judge the case.'''
 
###'''At the end of his/her term, the Judge must stand down and another must be elected.'''
 
###'''Judges must not remain in office for two consecutive terms, except in exceptional circumstances, such as if there are no other candidates.'''
 
##If one of the Supreme Court Judge resigns from his or her duty, the Department of Justice is bound to appoint a successor, with Congressional confirmation, within one month's time. It is the Supreme Court Judges' duty to continue their service until another Judge is confirmed, and until all ongoing cases are terminated, or prepared to be passed on to his successor, without causing disturbances.
 
## Congress has the unique power to discharge a Supreme Court Judge forthwith, by a special majority. The Department of Justice is then bound to appoint a successor, with Congressional confirmation, within one month's time.
 
 
I think we have enough support for this bill to pass, and it has been open for discussion for long enough. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Another 15 votes needed. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:43, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Voting===
 
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*{{pro}} 6 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 4 votes -- [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 12:26, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:49, February 12, 2012 (UTC) Although, the exceptional circumstance thing is a bit undemocratic.
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*{{Pro}} 13 Votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 13:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 14 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:19, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} 4 votes --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 13:28, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} 8 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 22:36, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:32, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
   
*{{Contra}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 13:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (nothing against you, I still don't like judges and strong courts at a federal level) (Progressive Conservative Party)
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*{{Contra}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (CPL.nm: Excludes CPL.nm; SLP: Inexperienced PM)
*{{contra}} 2 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (PNO)
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*{{contra}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:55, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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====Abstention====
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====Abstain====
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*{{Abstention}} 7 votes (similar ideas, but of course, as you posted on mine, we both understand) [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:34, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
* {{abstention}} 1 vote. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (RTP)
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{{accepted}}, which is good. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:04, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
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{{Declined}} Withdrawn. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
==009. The Other Parts of the Judicial Reform (take 3)==
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===Comments===
=== Article 1 ===
 
'''Article 1 A''' - [[Lovia]]n National State
 
# Lovia is a sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible National State.
 
# Lovia is a democratic and social state, governed by the rule of law, in which human dignity, the [[citizen]]s' rights and freedoms, the free development of human personality, justice and political pluralism represent supreme values, in the spirit of the democratic traditions of the Lovian people and shall be guaranteed.
 
# Lovia shall be organized based on the principle of the separation and balance of powers - legislative, executive, and judicial - within the framework of constitutional democracy. Therefore no person is entitled to combine a top function in two or three branches of government; thus, the ruling monarch, the Prime Minister and the Supreme Court Judge shall be no less than three different persons.
 
# In Lovia, the observance of the Constitution, its supremacy and the laws shall be mandatory.
 
# The national sovereignty shall reside within the Lovia people, that shall exercise it by means of their representative bodies, resulting from free, periodical and fair elections, as well as by referendum.
 
# No group or person may exercise sovereignty in one's own name.
 
   
'''Article 1 B''' - [[Lovia]] is a monarchy, ruled by the ruling monarch.
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I've made a few minor tweaks to the final ministry line up, but the bulk of my plans remain unchanged- '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
# The [[ruling monarch]] is the person who legally inherited the throne from the previous ruling monarch. He or she is thus a descendant of the first Lovian monarch, King Arthur I of Lovia (Arthur Noble).
 
## The ruling monarch can be either male (the King) or female (the Queen).
 
# The method of the line of succession to the Lovian throne is absolute cognatic primogeniture. Therefore, the person who legally inherits the Lovian throne, after the previous ruling monarch has either deceased or abdicated, is the person who is the eldest child of the previous monarch. If the monarch had no children, the throne goes to the next oldest sibling, followed by younger siblings and cousins.
 
## All descendants of Arthur I of Lovia are part of the line of succession, regardless of any activity, except for those that have requested that they be removed.
 
# The partner of the ruling monarch is the person who legally married the ruling monarch. They are a member of the royal family, but they do not enjoy privileges over the citizens of Lovia.
 
# The person first in line to the throne is known as the heir apparent, and becomes monarch after the previous monarch has abdicated or deceased.
 
## The heir apparent to the throne will sign the Constitution upon their coronation.
 
## The heir apparent assumes the throne after they have presented themself to Congress on invitation of a normal majority in Congress. After this, the heir is officially declared Monarch of Lovia.
 
# The ruling monarch has the right to demand financial support from the Department of Finance, in which case the Minister of Finance can decide to grant the ruling monarch an amount of money, in agreement with Congress.
 
## The maximum amount of financial support that can be given is 4000 Lovian dollars per month.
 
# With the exception of the ruling monarch in function, no member of the royal family is granted extra-legal privileges. Each member of the royal family, with the exception of the ruling monarch in function, is a regular citizen as determined by the Constitution.
 
# The ruling monarch's functions in the government are ceremonial.
 
## The ruling monarch should preside over Congress, in partnership with the Speaker of the Congress.
 
## The ruling monarch does not have a vote in Congress, but is free to discuss and make opinions on the laws and activities of Congress.
 
   
Changes: Added two lines at the bottom.
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:Seriously Time? You're voting against this because of the absence of the CPL.nm? They aren't represented by an active user, and never requested any positions. It seems you're looking for any excuse NOT to support me :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 19:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
=== Article 4 ===
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::And because of the inexperience, and because I only have one ministry (Speaker does not count). :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
'''Article 4''' – The structure of Lovia
 
# The Kingdom of Lovia is governed on different levels:
 
## The federal level encompasses the entire Lovian territory.
 
### The executive power of the federal level inheres to the Government of Lovia. This government consists of the [[Prime Minister]] and the ministers of the federal government, and has control over government departments, government institutions and civil services.
 
#### The Prime Minister and other ministers are Members of the Congress; however, the heads of government institutions and civil services do not need to be Members of the Congress.
 
### All legislative power inheres to the Lovian [[Congress]]. This parliamentary body consists of the [[Members of the Congress]], who are either democratically elected by the citizens of Lovia or who are Member by Right (the ruling monarch). Congress may, as the sole body in the nation, write and amend legal matters in the [[Federal Law]] and the [[Constitution]].
 
### All judicial power inheres to the [[Supreme Court]] of Lovia.
 
## The state level consists of five states with limited powers: [[Clymene]], [[Kings]], [[Oceana]], [[Seven]] and [[Sylvania]].
 
### The executive power of the federal level inheres to the Governor and Deputy Governor of each state, both democratically elected by the citizens of each state.
 
### The local level, consisting of cities and towns, and the sublocal level, consisting of neighborhoods and hamlets, are governed by the state authorities.
 
   
Changes: Added a fourth level line that says the PM and ministers are MOTCs.
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:::You might be in a more favorable position, with more ministries, had you shown a little more support. There were others who wanted Education by the way, but I still gave it to you because I know you're interested in that issue :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 20:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
=== Article 8 ===
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::::Good thing your gov is getting voted down :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
'''Article 8''' – Elections and the formation of a federal government
 
# Federal Elections:
 
## Every year federal elections must be held for the election of the 100 seat Congress.
 
## The term of office of every Member of the Congress is exactly one year. Therefore every year the elections should be held at the same date.
 
## Election procedure during Federal Elections:
 
### During a period of three weeks, any Lovian citizen can, without restrictions, become a candidate in the Federal Elections. This period begins exactly one month and twenty-one days before Inauguration Day.
 
### During a period of three weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her votes in favor of candidates in the Federal Elections.
 
#### Every citizen may cast three favorable votes in the Federal Elections: a Major Vote, a Minor Vote and a Favor Vote. A Major Vote is worth three points, a Minor Vote two and a Favor Vote one.
 
#### Citizens may choose not to cast their votes, or to only cast some of them.
 
#### Citizens may not cast multiple votes for the same candidate. All cast votes must be given to different candidates.
 
#### All citizens must receive at least three points to receive any seats in Congress.
 
### The normal dates of elections, excluding the possibility of a dissolution of Congress, are set at December 10th to 31st for nominations, and from January 1st to 21st for voting. Inauguration Day is set at February 1st.
 
### All candidates will complete the elections with a percentage of the total votes, with the exception of those that have withdrawn.
 
#### The percentage of votes cast to a certain candidate from the total votes cast is the amount of seats in Congress that the candidate will control.
 
##### The congressperson may delegate their seats to all the parties that they wish, but still control the votes of each congressperson.
 
## New federal elections must be held when more than half of the Members of the Congress are inactive; either self-declared or if they have not edited for over a month (30 days).
 
# The Prime Minister and Ministers of the Federal Government:
 
## A coalition of political parties and/or Members of the Congress that control more than 50% of the seats of Congress should form between the end of elections and Inauguration Day.
 
## The coalition should create a proposal of which Members of the Congress should become the Prime Minister and the ministers of the federal government. This proposal must be approved by a normal majority in Congress.
 
### If no government proposal is approved, then the former government should continue its duties until a government proposal is approved by Congress.
 
## A Member of the Congress should be elected by a normal majority of Congress to become the Speaker of the Congress, who presides over Congress in conjunction with the ruling monarch.
 
### The Speaker of the Congress has the power to appoint a special session of congress in the case that more than half of congressional members are inactive and elections are not being held.
 
## Congress should be able to question all executing members of government - of any level - about their activities. If the congress has lost their trust in the questioned person, a motion of distrust may be proposed in congress against him or her. When this motion is accepted by a normal majority, he or she has to resign from the government and a replacement has to be proposed by another Member of the Congress, accepted by the person who is nominated, and approved by Congress.
 
## When Congress has lost its trust in the incumbent government, it can vote a motion of no confidence. When this motion is accepted by a normal majority, both the government and Congress are dissolved and new federal elections are to be held, with the former government and congress continuing until inauguration of the new congress.
 
## If the Prime Minister or a minister resigns, a replacement has to be proposed by another Member of the Congress, accepted by the person who is nominated, and approved by Congress.
 
## The Prime Minister may schedule new federal elections at any time. If he or she decides to do so, both the government and Congress are dissolved and new federal elections are to be held, with the former government and congress continuing until inauguration of the new congress.
 
# State Elections:
 
## Every Lovian citizen has the right to become a candidate for Governor of a state wherein he or she has an official residence.
 
### It is not permitted to be a candidate during a state election in more than one state.
 
## The term of office of the elected Governor and Deputy Governor is exactly one year. Therefore every year the elections should be held at the same date.
 
## Election procedure during State Elections:
 
### During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen and resident of the state can become a candidate in the State Elections. This period begins exactly one month before the day of the inauguration of the Governor and Deputy Governor.
 
### During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her vote in favor of a candidate in the State Elections of the state of which he or she is an official resident.
 
#### Every citizen may cast one vote per state election. Inhabitants of multiple states have the right to cast one vote for each state in which they have an official residence.
 
#### Citizens may choose not to cast their vote.
 
### The normal dates of elections, excluding the possibility of a resignation of both Governor and Deputy Governor, are set at September 16th to 30th for nominations, and from October 1st to 14th for voting. Inauguration Day is set at November 1st.
 
### The candidate who received the highest number of votes and at least three will become Governor of the state in which he or she participated in the state elections.
 
#### In the case of an ex aequo, a second voting round must be held within two weeks' time.
 
#### The Governor is in charge of the competencies given to the state government.
 
### The candidate who received the second highest number of votes and at least three will become Deputy Governor of the state in which he or she participated in the state elections.
 
#### The Deputy Governor is in temporary charge of the state competencies during the absence of the Governor.
 
#### Upon the resignation of the Governor, or any other instance causing the Governor to quit, the Deputy Governor becomes Governor and will keep this office until the next elections.
 
   
Changes: Added and revised some stuff about the part titled "The Prime Minister and Ministers of the Federal Government", and reinstated a 3-vote legal requirement, to make sure that inactive people won't get elected.
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:::::In the grand scheme of things, I don't think you voting down my government is going to have a huge effect on the overall result :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 20:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
This is the old non-judicial amendment that didn't get passed due to inactivity--you can read what it does. I've also changed federal secretaries to ministers of the federal government. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::CNP, CCPL, and probably Viva are all not in support. Plus, TM001 is inactive. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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== 005. Hardy I Government==
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* PM:
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** Neil Hardy (Happy)
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* Agriculture:
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** George Wrexley (TM001)
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* Commerce:
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** Bart Koenen (Bart K)
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* Culture:
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** Arthur Sythey (Sithlent)
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* Defence:
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** Lukas Hoffmann (Kunarian)
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* Education:
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** William Krosby (Time)
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* Energy and resources:
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** Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari (Viva)
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* Environment:
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** Bart Koenen (Bart)
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* Social Affairs:
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** Katie Konroy (Frijoles)
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* Family, youth and elderly:
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** Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
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* Finance:
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** William Krosby (Time)
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* Foreign affairs:
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** Aina Sarria (Traspes)
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* Health:
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** Justin Abrahams (Horton)
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* Justice:
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** Charles Jones (4kant)
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* Labour:
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** Justin Abrahams (Horton)
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* Minorities:
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** Martijn Mans (Martijn)
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* Tourism and sport:
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** Nicholas Sheraldin (Topaz)
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* Transportation:
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** Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
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* Science:
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** Anna-Maria Whitdonck-Malsky (Semyon)
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* Speaker of the Congress:
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** Nicolas Sheraldin (Topaz)
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The proposed Hardy I Government would look to create an active and stable congress, including parties from across the spectrum. We feel it is necessary to create a National Health Service, replacing the current system, whereby not all states currently have an active health service. We look to work closely with proposed Minister of Education William Krosby, creating a national education board and providing funds to renovate poor schools. We also look to reduce the effect of inactive members of the congress by creating an edit criteria in the terms of congress members. We look to protect minority languages and culture and teach minority languages in late primary, secondary and tertiary education. We look to impose Animal protection laws, and make sure animal cruelty will be punished.
   
 
===Voting===
 
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====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*{{Pro}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 20:41, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
* {{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:57, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (7 votes) [[User:Happy65|Happy65]] 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
* {{pro}} 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:59, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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* (2 votes) [[User:Sithlent|Sithlent]] ([[User talk:Sithlent|talk]]) 21:00, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 11 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:03, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}}<span style="font-style: normal; "> 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:15, February 16, 2012 (UTC)</span>
 
*{{Pro}} 4 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 22:38, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} 5 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 00:20, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{Contra}} 4 votes - Confederate members of the CNP voting - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 22:40, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 10 votes (CCPL as PM, two T&S ministers?) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Contra}} 4 votes --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 23:52, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes (Me and Hardy do have a couple of ideas in common, but I can't vote for a CCPL government) '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes. (See TM and Frijoles' comments. Though I have to commend this for being the only proposal with me as at least half the MoTaS. :P) [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*{{Abstain}} 3 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:03, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (Me, PCP, LCP) (I'm now seeing the benefit of abstain, it means not bad, but needs more or isn't 100%, i think this law dose something but really not much. I still like departments over ministries.)
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*{{Abstention}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:18, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Abstain}} (4 votes) No ministries. In case I support it I will repropose it with the term department [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 16:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:I don't support this. ^points s better. With this inactive people will be elecgted even faster [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 16:12, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:Pierlot you also need to put how many of your congressmen you want to vote Abstain for this, right now it's only 1 vote abstain for you [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 16:13, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:Formerly, it was zero. There was no legal requirement, as it was deleted in the 2011 State Reform. I'm adding it back. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:33, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Comments===
 
Can we get this over with and approve it already?? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:41, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
{{accepted}}, which is good. (mocking Semyon :P) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 00:32, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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{{Declined}} Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
<nowiki>:O</nowiki> --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:25, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
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===Discussion===
   
==008. Settlement Recognition Act==
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== 006. AMWM I Government ==
#To organize all existing settlements, as defined in the Settlement Act, the National Settlement Order (NSO) is created.
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*[[Prime Minister]]
#The duties of the National Settlement Order are:
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**[[AMWM]] (Semyon)
##To list all existing settlements in Lovia.
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*[[Ministry of Agriculture]]
###This includes all settlements, such as cities, towns, villages and hamlets.
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
###Recognized neighborhoods will be listed together with their respective settlement.
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*[[Ministry of Commerce]]
##To list the population and state of each settlement.
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**[[Jon Johnson]] (Semyon)
#All settlements recognized by Congress should be written in the Order.
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*[[Ministry of Culture]]
##To recognize a settlement, the settlement must be approved by a normal majority in Congress.
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Defence]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Education]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (TM)
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*[[Ministry of Energy and Resources]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Environment]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (77topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Social Affairs]]
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**[[Katie Conroy]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Family, Youth, and Elderly]]
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**[[Sarah Lambert]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Finance]]
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**[[Lucy Austira]] (TM)
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*[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]
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**[[Liam Mitchell]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Health]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Justice]]
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**[[Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari]] (Viva)
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*[[Ministry of Labour]]
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**[[Miroslav Znalic]] (Marcus)
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*[[Ministry of Minorities]]
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**[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Transportation]]
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**[[George Wrexley]] (TM001)
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*[[Ministry of Tourism and Sport]]
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**[[Levi Straszev]] (77topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Science]]
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**[[Peter Blanch]] (Semyon)
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*[[Speaker of the Congress]]
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**[[Isabella Munson]] (TM)
   
In addition it will be added to the Public Law book when it passes.
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My government will pursue a socialist course. See my manifesto for more details.
   
 
===Voting===
 
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====Pro====
*{{Pro}} 14 Votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (6 votes) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:09, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (10 votes) needs more positions for Semyon, though <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:51, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 22:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (I already pledged support for Hoffmann's proposal, but now I'm liking this new proposal. I will keep pro votes up for both for the time being)
*{{pro}} 11 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:41, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Miroslav]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Znalic]] 23:18, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (For the first step towards the truly emancipatory collective!)
*{{pro}} 4 votes. --[[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 16:37, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 5 votes [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 23:39, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 4 votes. --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 16:54, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 01:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 5 votes. (follow the leader, I guess :P) — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 16:56, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:17, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 18:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (3 votes) [[File:Flag of the Xanian Empire.svg|30px|border|link=http://xania-encyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Xania_Encyclopedia_Wiki|The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki]] [[User:Vivaporius|Vivaporius]]: <small>"[[User talk:Vivaporius|I don't need a slogan]]"</small> 14:45, May 8, 2015 (UTC) (I had a change of heart. :P)
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*{{Pro}} [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:58, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*<s>{{contra}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC) I think this is quite pointless. We already have lists, such as the main page, or [[hamlet]], [[village]], [[town]], etc. I believe this would just have the same fate as the Congressional Journal: unnecessary complexity. You can just look in other places. Simplify, simplify.</s>
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*{{Contra}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 21:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
**Not really, the pages we list the hamlets and stuff aren't officical, which i could just add anything. By you saying this would get out of hand, leads me & should everyone else, to believe your not in favor of the NCO, which is just a different version of this. Think about it. It's quite simple and helps everyone. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:46, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
***Of course, you couldn't just add anything to the NSO either, right? Your argument is invalid, the NSO could get changed the same way the front page could be. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:29, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
***No it says it needs a 51% to change, so yeah proper parlimentary procedure. But just for the record we don't need to re-approve the places like NC or HU they're already approved. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 16:43, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
****Right, we have already approved them in recognitions of the existing localities. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:53, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*<s>{{contra}} 5 votes - I have to agree with Time on this one — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 16:39, February 12, 2012 (UTC)</s>
 
   
 
====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*
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*<strike>{{Abstention}} (3 votes) [[File:Flag of the Xanian Empire.svg|30px|border|link=http://xania-encyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Xania_Encyclopedia_Wiki|The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki]] [[User:Vivaporius|Vivaporius]]: <small>"[[User talk:Vivaporius|I don't need a slogan]]"</small> 20:10, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (I'd prefer to be Minister of Justice. No one wanted the position, and I feel that it is more fitting for a man of Rakham's stature.)</strike>
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{{Accepted}} Over a 50% majority!!! I will now add it to the Public law book. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 16:46, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
::You're not speaker. --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 16:54, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Doesn't matter (unstroke). <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Then I will make a act that abolishes the speaker [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 17:27, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::That doesn't help Lovia. It's roleplay. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
==012. [[Lovian National Sevens Team]] Recognition==
 
By a simple 50% majority we shall now recognize the LNST with this amendment to the Sports Act:
 
*The [[Lovian National Sevens Team]] is the fully recognized national Rugby Sevens team of Lovia.
 
===Voting===
 
{{Voting}}
 
   
====Pro====
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{{Accepted}} By at least a 51% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
*{{Pro}} 14 Votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 13:49, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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===Comments===
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:50, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Four more votes needed to pass. I hope to see the CNP, Wrexley's branch of the UL, and Asmari's branch of GP supporting this in order to create the best progress Lovia has had in a long time! --[[William Krosby]] 13:20, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes - [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 18:18, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 18:32, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:30, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC) though, perhaps it should be at the bottom, not the middle, like the involvement act.
 
*{{pro}} 8 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 00:19, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
====Contra====
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The CNP shall not be backing this. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 16:09, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
*
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I am sadified by that. I suppose we will be better off without anti-progress politicians, though. --[[William Krosby]] 16:13, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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*
 
   
====Abstain====
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Once Semyon revotes, we will have 50 votes Pro. Does anyone object to waiving the two week requirement of waiting before enshrinement, due to the fact that 4 of the MOTCS who have not yet voted will far more likely than not vote Pro, making a majority against impossible? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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:That's not a majority. A majority is 51. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:57, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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::Yes, but the Constitution says that you only need a majority of valid votes after two weeks. But we have a majority now, almost. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:43, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
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I hereby declare the [[Whithdonck-Malsky I Government]] inaugurated. This is a historic moment for progress in this country, and I congratulate all of those involved. --[[Isabella Munson]] 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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*
 
   
{{accepted}} with a 53% majority. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:31, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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I thank the Lovian people and their congress for their support. Let those who oppress the poor, those who view women as inferior, and those who promulgate ethnic tension throughout this land shake in fear. [[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 20:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
==013. [[Lovian National Soccer Team]] (Lovian National Football Team)==
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== 007. Action against Burenia ==
I would like congress to finally allow this team to become official. We can decide on the name later, if not we'll just be trying to haggle out a name and nothing will be achieved (it's been over a year trying to get the team recognized). [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:47, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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Burenia has begun a devastating program of ethnic cleansing against the Kob minority. I propose that Lovia formally condemn these actions, cut all economic ties with Burenia and commit to accepting an unlimited number of Kob refugees.
:I suggest we use association football, btw. It's neutral, and more formal (both soccer and football are short forms of it). Also, Horton, why don't you vote yourself? :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
::On wikipedia most teams are styled "national football team", except for the US (where it's soccer). Football sounds better to me, but we can decide on the name later. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Good point. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:09, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
{{Voting}}
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{{voting}}
 
 
====Pro====
 
====Pro====
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*{{pro}} 7 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:23, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 18:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC) Gotta act as Oos Wes Ilava here. My Burenian version disagrees though :o
*{{pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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**I commend Mr. Ilava for his bravery in defying the powerful Burenian lobby which I know exerts great influence over CCPL. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 20:02, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 11 Votes, though, how will this be implemented if we haven't decided a name? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:10, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 21:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
: I'll just add the page to the main namespace as "Football Team", and then we can have a discussionin the oub to work out a definite name. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:36, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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**I thank Mr. Hardy and the CCPL for their support. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 21:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes - [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 12:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 01:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 3 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:32, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:32, March 1, 2012 (UTC) per discussion below: we will call football football and handegg handegg
 
*{{pro}} 8 Votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 17:01, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
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*{{Contra}} We are in the middle of our own economic crisis, many people in this country need immediate help, the government has done nothing. And now you suggest we accept an '''unlimited''' amount of refugees? This government and Congress is truly insane if this passes. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 19:09, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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**But how many Kob people are there? 10,000? We can do that, especially with UN/IWO help. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:53, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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***But there is no plan, no numbers listed above. This government has not even proposed its tax numbers so how it can hope to pay for anything is beyond me. Further for all the talk of progress this government has done little to nothing with the time it has had thus far and I can see them doing even less with the many months ahead. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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**What is insane is the utter selfishness of Mr. Hoffmann and the philosophy he represents, preferring to see innocent people die than let a penny of government money be spent to prevent it. I recognise the concept may be alien to members of CNP, but this government has a moral responsibility to act. We have to power to provide succour to the oppressed, that is this government's mandate, and that is what we shall do. If the CNP prefers to lend its support to those that at this moment are gleefully bayoneting babies, let them do so. I fear those Lovians who too suffered at the hands of the Burenians last year will be unimpressed, however. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 19:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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***Anna may not even take a moment to consider Lovia but she should be aware that I am not part of the CNP, this would be abundantly clear if she spent but the smallest amount of time reading the papers or watching the news. Action should be taken but to give no plan, no numbers, no nothing is beyond stupid. You talk of government money, but you have none, your government hasn't even proposed let alone passed your taxation rates. You say you have the mandate to provide succour to the oppressed, what about those in Lovia? you've had a month in government and nothing has left your lips concerning the homeless, the jobless nor those who are ill or unwell. This act is nothing more than an impotent government throwing its weight around to try and feel powerful while Lovia slips further into the mire. It would seem that Anna reveals that she cares more about a crisis abroad, proposing a solution however poor it is within days, but cares not one bit about the Lovian, who have suffered for months, not one solution at all from her. She is a hypocrite and a traitor to the people who elected her and to every other Lovian that relies, unfortunately, on this champagne socialist government. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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****You offend me deeply. This is a humanitarian emergency. A response to a genocide cannot be delayed for petty financial matters to be resolved. Those can be done later. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:13, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*****You may have skipped a large amount of the issue that I raised but there is no plan here. There is nothing, there isn't even a proposal on how to get the refugees from A to B. You are all patting yourselves on the back because you are unable to realise that without a plan you cannot do anything. Like this government has failed to do anything, you have no plan so you fail. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 23:28, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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******I view this as a proposal to allow the executive branch to take the actions it sees fit. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 00:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*******Then it is true, you have no plan. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 06:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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****Mr. Hoffmann should at the very least respect the authority of this Chamber, if not his own dignity, before befouling it with his feculent orations. His sudden concern for the Lovians whose visages his government ground languidly beneath its foot is inexplicable; rest assured that we will shortly begin action to reverse its depredations. In response to his talk of betrayal, I need give no explanation why I continue to refer to him as a member of CNP. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*****Anna seems to confuse herself, for years I have campaigned for the worst off in society while she screeched about parties that have bettered Lovia a hundred fold compared to your petulant antics. And you give no explanation because there is none, you are simply out of touch and full of yourself. This government will achieve nothing and will end come the elections and hopefully end your career for good. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**Accept refugees? Yes. Accept all 30.000 Kòb people? For a small nation like Lovia, that's not even possible. We should somehow divide the refugees between various nations, and ideally make the Burenian government stop immediately. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 05:47, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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***My esteemed colleague makes the point. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 06:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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****I think the number of Kòbtáale has already sufficiently decreased to a number we can hold though following the atomic attacks on the ^látoskì :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 07:03, May 20, 2015 (UTC) damn keyboard stil not installed :'(
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*****Then we still need a number and a plan, even 10,000 is a great amount, that's bigger than most settlements in Lovia bar the largest towns and cities. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 07:08, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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******We should make a Kòb village in Clymene then :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 07:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*******Surely one of the Governors who voted in favour should take the refugees into their State? :o [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 07:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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********No, one of the Governors (or all of them) who does not want them in should have them in their state, so they learn the beauty of living together with another culture and what it means to support each other :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*********Maybe they should go to Oceana to teach the Oceana to stop being separatists and love their fellows. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 08:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**********Maybe we should give them a łátoskì on the City Archipelago :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:33, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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***********That's not a bad idea, recolonise the Archipelago, they're will be plenty of colonists for the matter. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 08:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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************ :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 09:04, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*************After refugees have been accepted, we can consider further action, including distribution to other friendly nations. I will also contact the UN to request their assistance in establishing a refugee camp. The priority is to remove those whose lives are at risk as soon as possible. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**************You still have no plan for how to get them to said camp. Your ignorance is painful. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
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====Abstention====
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*{{Abstention}} I'm gonna have to go neutral here. We have our own issues to deal with, as has been pointed out, and an unlimited number of refugees could cause a strain on our resources. That said, we should not turn our backs on refugees. It is too much for Lovia alone to have to take in all these refugees, and it makes more sence to have multiple nations, perhaps even an IWO-wide plan to divide refugees among several nations such as Prasia, Brunant, Insel, Juliana etc. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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**I welcome the support for action on this issue, but would urge UL to support the proposal. This is an extremely urgent situation and we need to evacuate refugees as soon as possible. I strongly agree that we should coordinate with the IWO and hope Mr. Abrahams, with his extensive links abroad, can assist with this. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 20:08, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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***Mr. Abrahams has little to no links abroad, sadly (common misconception though). You'd have to talk to the relevant persons abroad. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 21:55, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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5 more votes required. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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====Abstain====
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===Comments===
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I propose immediate military intervention to halt the genocide. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
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We do not have an army, however. Many members of this government also adhere to a pacifist philosophy. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 19:58, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
*<s>{{abstention}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC) we can't, unless we have decided that it will be "(Association) Football"</s>
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Military intervention would require assembling a [[Multinational Task Force]] as was done the first time around. And of course if we were to get an army, it'd be some time just to pass the necessary legislation, and a while more to put it into operation. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:03, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
: I plan on using "football team" (see the above discussion with Semyon). Calling it a "National Associaltion Footbal Team" it too long and it just doesn't sound right. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:36, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I don't recommend it. Many of us are actual football fans, and personally, I can't stand when soccer is referred to as football. What if someone later on, someone wanted to establish a football organization? — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:31, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Because logic dictates that calling American football "football" is stupid. The ball is not even a sphere, and it's mostly a hand game. A game that's all about feet is much more deserving of the name "football", as it was originally called. Anyone up for handegg? {{D}} <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:41, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I'm swayed by Horton's logic that every national football team on Wikipedia is known as 'national football team' apart from the American one, where 'football' means something else. Now, as American rules is not played in Lovia at all, there seems little point in using the American version. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:30, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Indeed, so real football is called "football" and American football "handegg"? :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:38, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::In Lovia? That's what I'm recommending. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 11:59, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::American Football isn't really played here, so it would be ok to refer to it as a "football team". [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:28, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::::Speaking of football, the US national team beat Italy for the first time yesterday, 1-0. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:52, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstention}} 2 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:32, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
{{accepted}}, with a 55%+ majority. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:06, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
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== 008. Lovia Recycles Act ==
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#Recycling in Lovia is mandated by the Federal Government, and both implemented and managed by Lovia's states.
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#Lovia will employ a common collection system for different types of recycling via a number of bins. These include:
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##a green bin, for food waste going for composting
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##a red bin, for plastics, glass and metal
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##a blue bin, for paper and cardboard
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##States may add other bins for further recycling including batteries, electronics, hazardous materials and other items not recyclable within the current three bins.
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#The collection of recyclable materials for the red, green, blue and other potential bins shall be done as for garbage collection.
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##States are free to determine dates for collection, as well as the frequency, so long as it is done no less than twice per month.
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#All states will also set up and operate at least one designated collection point for recycling or disposing of items not recyclable via home collection, operating alongside curbside collection.
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##These collection points may be used to dispose or recycle batteries, electrical and electronic items, hazardous items, construction material, raw materials and large or uncommon items which cannot be properly collected at the curbside.
   
==016. Weights and Measures Act==
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Please do vote (pro). [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
#The primary and official system of measurement used in Lovia is the International System of Units, which may be referred to as the metric system.
 
##All information provided by the government shall, where relevant, use SI units.
 
###Where convenient, SI units may be prefixed with the appropriate SI prefix.
 
###The sole exception is that degrees Celsius shall be used for the measurement of temperature, rather than degrees Kelvin.
 
##The secondary system is the imperial system as used in the United States of America.
 
###Information provided by the government should, if possible, provide the imperial equivalent of any SI units used.
 
##Any purveyor of goods bears responsibility for providing information in the metric system associated with the goods being traded.
 
###The level of precision of measurement shall be left to the discretion of the purveyor, as long as it is not so precise as to hinder the purchaser, nor so imprecise as to deceive.
 
###Where possible and legible, the imperial equivalent of the metric units should also be provided on the goods being traded.
 
#Mathematical punctuation:
 
##The period is used as a decimal mark to indicate the radix point.
 
##The comma may optionally be used to separate digits into groups of three.
 
 
This sets up the weights and measurement system used in Lovia. It will be in the... hmm... I suppose Public Law Book. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:12, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
 
{{voting}}
 
{{voting}}
 
 
====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*{{pro}} 11 Votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:23, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 6 votes (on condition we change the word accuracy to precision.) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:49, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 14:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
**Done. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:12, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. The Minister of Environment is pleased with this effort. :) [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 9 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:11, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 6 votes, though I'm not certain it's a priority. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:26, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 11:00, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes, agree with Semyon. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 16 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 04:41, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 20:52, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 12 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 21:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Miroslav]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Znalic]] 22:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC) (I don't see how it isn't a priority to some extent)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes --[[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 11:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{Contra}} 2 votes; Lovia should use the imperial system for better accomodation with the US. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:11, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*<s>{{contra}} 10 votes. Did you not revise this at all?? Among other things, who decides how many "collections points" a state has, and how many are used to dispose/recycle batteries (and how is this done), etc? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:12, May 20, 2015 (UTC)</s>
*{{Contra}} 2 votes (same reason as horton stated) [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 21:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
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*It has been revised and edited (by Semyon as well). The state is free to determine the number, usage and operation of collection points, as long as it is within reason. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 15:20, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
:*But this accommodates for both, and slightly more citizens prefer the metric system. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:09, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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**You better add that to the bill. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:24, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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***Stop worrying about details, you don't seem to care about them in the voting section above this one. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 18:46, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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****{{unamused}} <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
====Abstain====
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====Abstention====
*{{abstention}} 1 vote. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 04:42, April 15, 2012 (UTC) (RTP)
 
 
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{{Accepted}} By a 59% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:28, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
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{{Accepted}} with at least 56% of all possible votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:54, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
==017. Election of Supreme Court Judges==
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==012. Tax Rates==
I hereby open the election for Supreme Court Judges. Each of the 100 congressman or congresswoman has one vote, which should be cast for their preferred candidate, using the {{pro}} template (in case it wasn't clear :P). The election will close at 0300 hours Lovian time on the 5th of May, when the three candidates with the most votes will become judges. Good luck everyone! :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Income Tax:
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*Tax Exclusion of L$30,000
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*First Rate of 20% (30,000 to 60,000)
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*Second Rate of 30% (60,000 to 150,000)
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*Third Rate of 40% (150,000 to 400,000)
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*Fourth Rate of 50% (400,000 to 1,000,000)
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*Fifth Rate of 60% (1,000,000 plus)
   
===Lars Washington (User:TimeMaster)===
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Property Tax:
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*Tax Exclusion of 60 square meters for property
*{{pro}} - 8 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*Property Rate of 50 cents a square meter
*{{Pro}} - 4 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 12:49, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*Tax Exclusion of 40,000 square meters for land
*{{Pro}} - 4 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*Land Rate of 5 cents a square meter
*{{pro}} - 3 votes [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*Protected Rate of 1 cent a meter ((what is this?))
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===Rico Wasabi (User:The Master's Voice)===
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Imported Sales Tax:
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*10% IST Rate
*{{pro}} - 8 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 11:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 7 votes [[User:The Master&#39;s Voice|The glorious First Consul of Rome]] 13:52, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 4 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===George Matthews (User:Wabba the I)===
 
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===Antonia Tilly (User:Horton11)===
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 7 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===John Paul Hrádske (User:Ooswesthoesbes)===
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 1 vote. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 10 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 12:49, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 1 vote [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 2012 (UTC
 
*{{pro}} - 8 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Comments===
 
First past the post is a very bad voting system. Could we try single transferable vote for each of our congresspersons? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I agree with the first sentence. However, I think that in practice if someone's preferred candidate is losing they will transfer their votes to their second-preferred candidate instead. That will have the same effect as STV, but without the confusion of having 100 separate voting preferences. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:02, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, I meant make separate preferential ballots of blocs of congresspersons, not a separate for each one. For example, my bloc of 11 would have 3 separate ballots, 8 sharing one ballot, 2 another, and 1 having their own. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Seems like an awful lot of work to me. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:28, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I'm not George Matthews! I support him but I don't vote on him! [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I know you're not Matthews, but I thought you wanted to use him as your character to become judge. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Anyway, how do we know when to stop? When 100% of MOTCs has voted (that's not going to happen)? 67%? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Oh, I see. There's a time limit. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:What now? The '''thee candidates'''? I though we had agreed on '''FOUR''' Supreme Court Judges? {{smile}} [[User:The Master&#39;s Voice|The glorious First Consul of Rome]] 15:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
I think that was the original proposal, not the one that eventually was accepted. That one also suggested random selection rather than voting. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Nope, I'm pretty sure it was four in this case awell. Four, because for one, it is an even number. [[User:The Master&#39;s Voice|The glorious First Consul of Rome]] 16:34, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::It definitely says three in the law, as well as in the proposal in the Second Chamber. In any case, you're doing rather well. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:41, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That was the old proposal that was not approved, Magnus. 4 randomly selected jury members plus one judge. A different proposal was accepted. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I hereby announce the election of three new Judges: '''Lars Washington''', '''Rico Wasabi''' and '''John Paul Hrádske'''. Congratulations! :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 10:12, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
: :) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 08:19, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== 018. Census ==
 
 
As it's not included in the law I don't see any reason to postpone this anymore. I propose to increase the population to about 220.000 by retaking a census [[Wikination:Census|old-style]] and multiplying by 10. Any future discussion about how to control population growth in the future can be held separately. If this vote is accepted, I can immediately start fixing everything.
 
   
 
===Voting===
 
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====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*<s>{{pro}} 17 Votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)</s>
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*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 8 Votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 10:03, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 5 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:13, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 10:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC) when Kunarian edit all town pages!
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:20, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Miroslav]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Znalic]] 00:26, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 5 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:35, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
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====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{contra}} 11 votes - I would like to see a new style that isn't based on residences. We should individually decide what population each hamlet, village, and neighborhood should have, add those up for each town and city, and then combine the cities and add some rural population to get the state. Then add the states to get the nation. <small>[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:42, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes, I prefer fairer lower rates that do not attack the rich, especially no tax rates above 50%. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:25, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
*:You're right. Shall I simply make a proposal of f.e. Oceana in population incl. rural districts? --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 12:48, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::I've made a proposal for [[User:Ooswesthoesbes/Oshenna populatsia|Oceana]]. It would be very welcome if the other governors could also bring up figures for their states, so we can combine the data and form our first census with rural districts. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 07:49, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:::Done it. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:45, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::::Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. I'll do it by tomorrow. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:25, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
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====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*I'm honestly a bit confused by this.--— [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 00:20, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{abstain}} 1 vote [[Marc Thomassen]] 20:14, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
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== 019. Membership of the IWO ==
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===Comments===
   
Members of the Congress, please vote to authorise the signing of the Declaration for the Establishment of the International Wiki Organisation ([[Forum:Second_Chamber/IWO_Declaration|in a side page]]). I apologise in advance for the awful wikicode and Limburgish. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:57, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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==013. Alternate Tax Rates==
:The Limburgish is now sorted; feel free, but not obliged, to fix the wikicode, anyone. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:03, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===Voting===
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'''Income Tax:'''
{{voting}}
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:Tax Exclusion of L$21,000
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:First Rate of 20% (21,000 to 52,000)
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:Second Rate of 30% (52,000 to 144,000)
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:Third Rate of 40% (144,000 to 626,000)
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:Fourth Rate of 50% (626,000 plus)
   
====Pro====
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'''Property Tax:'''
*{{pro}} - 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:59, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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:Tax Exclusion of 60 Square Metres for Property
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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:Property Rate of 50 Cents a Metre
*{{pro}} 4 votes — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:55, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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:Tax Exclusion of 40,000 Square Metres for Land
*{{pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 16:46, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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:Land Rate of 5 Cents a Metre
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 18:48, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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:Protected Rate of 1 Cent a Metre
*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
====Contra====
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'''Imported Sales Tax:'''
*{{contra}} 1 vote — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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:10% IST Rate
*{{contra}} 3 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 18:49, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{contra}} 1 vote <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
====Abstain====
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It'd raise L$2,643,796,000 Which should be more than enough for the various projects the States and Nation need to enact. It would not certainly be punitive to the richest but would ask them to lend the country a helping hand in this time of need (86% of Income Tax would come from those with over L$100,000 in earnings). The Property taxes allow small farmers and homeowners to be free of tax while requiring large property owning corporations and business people to contribute. The Imported Sales Tax would help keep Lovian industry protected during this fragile time.
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{{accepted}} by a 53% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
====Comments====
 
I will bring this to the Mäöreser Landjszaal as well. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:10, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Please do. :D --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:56, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Just to remind you: the Mäöreser law system is efficient, but slow :P I hope to get the results within a week :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 08:42, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Finally, Mäöres has voted pro with 4 pro and 2 not yet voted :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 08:02, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== 020. Abortion Regulation Act ==
 
(Social Law Book, Federal Law)
 
# Abortus Provocatus (referred to hereafter as abortion), defined as a willingly induced termination of pregnancy before fetal viability, is considered legal only when:
 
## Carried out by a qualified physician, registered in a hospital recognized by the [[Ministry of Health]].
 
## Permission has been given by the executing physician and at least one other, non-involved physician.
 
## Executed no sooner than two weeks after the first consultation.
 
## Executed within the first twelve weeks of the pregnancy, except in circumstances considered in section 2.
 
## One or more of the following:
 
### The mother has been impregnated against her will.
 
### The risk to the physical health of the mother is considered to be one hundred times greater than the average risk of childbirth.
 
### The fetus is considered to be inviable before the twenty-fifth week of the pregnancy.
 
## In every case, the mother has to give her approval to carry out the abortion.
 
# Abortion after the first twelve weeks of the pregnancy is considered legal only when:
 
## Carried out by a qualified physician, registered in a hospital recognized by the [[Ministry of Health]].
 
## Permission has been given by the executing physician and at least two other, non-involved physicians.
 
## Executed no sooner than seven days after the first consultation.
 
## One or more of the following:
 
### The risk to the physical health of the mother is considered to be one hundred times greater than the usual risk of childbirth.
 
### The fetus is considered to be inviable before the twenty-fifth week of the pregnancy.
 
## In every case, the mother has to give her approval to carry out the abortion.
 
# Before carrying out an abortion, the executing physician must always take the following measures:
 
## To notify the patient of all health risks involved with the abortion of pregnancy.
 
## To remind the parent of several other possibilities for undesired children.
 
### Any alternatives to abortion must be legal and comply with the Adoption and Orphanage Act.
 
## To ensure themselves of the patient's desire to carry out the abortion.
 
# If an abortion is carried out illegally, the following consequences may follow:
 
## The executing physician will have their medical license revoked.
 
## The executing physician will be liable to prosecution for murder and held responsible for the costs of the operation.
 
## The mother will be fined $10,000.
 
   
 
===Voting===
 
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====Pro====
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 10:03, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:24, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
*<strike>{{Pro}} 1 vote - [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC) (PCP)</strike>
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*{{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:32, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes - [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I (Jhon Lewis - CCPL)]] 20:10 July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 10:15, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 9 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:21, July 24, 2012 (UTC) (LDP)
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*{{pro}} 4 votes --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 16:03, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 9 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 12:43, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
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* {{pro}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 17:02, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 6 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:35, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:20, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 1 vote. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 09:36, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 3 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:31, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
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====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{contra}} 13 votes - [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC) (GPL,Labour,ARP,Walden) - Strike the clause 3.3 and make 3.2 more understandable
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*{{contra}} 10 votes - Too much tax on poor and not enough on rich. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:27, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} 2 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:21, July 24, 2012 (UTC) (LAP)
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::The only reason you want tax on the rich is because you hate them with a passion. This tax proposal raises 86% of funds from those with over L$100,000 income and nothing from the poorest 50%. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:45, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::They're hardly any different... <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Again, the only reason they are hardly any different is because you have copied my proposal and hiked up taxes on the rich. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:52, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{contra}} 2 votes. 20 is very high and you can start with 10%, Kunarian. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*{{abstention}} 2 votes Until there is more clarification in 3.2 (or expansion). [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:10, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstention}} 1 vote (PCP) Thomas Bale comment: "As a liberal conservative I understand women's rights, but needs clarification" [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 21:13, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
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====Comments====
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===Comments===
We should put more detail into the law and perhaps explain what options may be considered "legal alternatives" to abortion. Cause under this a doctor could perfectly get her to sell her baby on the black market. Something sad, but it does happen and we should strive to minimize the number of loopholes in our law.[[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:46, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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An alternate to Time's proposal which is anti-anyone who earns a large amount of money. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:24, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
Not the first thing i thought of, but i mostly voted contra because of the vaugeness...hopefully more clear language will get people to vote contra .[[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 22:31, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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They're so close though... <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:29, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:The only reason they are close is because yours is essentially a copy of my proposal in the First Chamber with taxes hiked up on the rich. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:41, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::Irrelevant. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:43, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Not irrelevant, you don't even under stand the taxes you are raising, as made clear by the non-understanding of the Protected Rate on land tax. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:44, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Not understanding property tax is irrelevant to understanding income tax. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::If you want to go back to income tax, and talk about how you think having punitive taxes on the rich will help Lovia then feel free. For now I'm not replying so that other people can actually get in edgewise on this. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::I may have to vote pro on this, though I really would have liked for the lowest tax bracket only paying 10%. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 12:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::The lowest tax bracket is 0% though. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:24, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::I was talking about the lowest tax-paying bracket. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:29, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::I'm all for lower taxes, especially on the lower rates. Just so you know, we'd lose about 124,000,000 in funds. If you could get the people who voted pro here to support lowering the first rate to 10% then we could certainly do it. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:05, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::I raised the start of the first tax bracket for 21k to 30k, but apparently because adding an extra 10% tax above a million is punitive to the rich, no one's voting pro. {{unamused}} <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:23, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::No you raised taxes a lot more than that. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 18:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::::Except I didn't? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:02, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
Well, we would have to create a separate law about adoption and orphanage. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:28, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
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Is the property tax per month or per year? --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:09, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
: It is vague, so we need to specify which alternatives are legal and what the punishment is for engaging in illegal alternatives. We should also start an awareness campaign on good alternatives, cuase in the end having lots of abortions isn't good. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:29, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::As I said above: these alternatives should not be placed in an abortion law. If this law is accepted, we can start working on an Adoption and Orphanage Act. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:58, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::See now honestly I'm seeing this is now partisanly driven and not trying to further this law. I just think then this furthers the right for a women to choose and then i think women are smart enough to know what they do with ther bodies. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 17:49, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Well, it's about time we're getting laws passed, but it seems nobody's willing to cooperate. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 17:17, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::We should create an Adoption/orphanage act (we should also include foster care) and pass it along with the abortion act. Right now my only issue is with sec. 3.2: To remind the parent of several other possibilities for undesired children. We should either list the possibilities in subsections to 3.2 or or have a single subsection saying "Any alternatives to abortion must be legal and comply with section x.x of the Adoption and Orphanage act. I will not vote contra because it is overall good but it should be sent back to the 1st chamber to fix this. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:38, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::That's not necessary. We could fix it right now if you want to. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:46, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::::Sure. If we can fix it here it would be great. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:47, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I believe that the new clauses had an "Or" added, while older classes didn't get an "Or". I think that should be fixed. Although, personally, I would prefer to not have those "Or"s, and instead simply have an "any of the following" in the earlier clauses. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:19, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==021. 2012 Federal Police Reform==
 
===Preface===
 
The present situation:
 
*The Federal Police has an unnecessary number of sub-divisions.
 
*These sub-divisions are not divided in any feasible way, and their descriptions are very broad.
 
*Some sub-divisions are improperly classified as "units", while others are considered branches and others aren't labeled at all.
 
*Individual traffic units have been localized to serve in individual states, and operate much like local police without much cooperation between other local units, which can be troublesome.
 
*There are supposedly local bureaus for individual states, yet they aren't documented anywhere on the site.
 
*It is unknown how these local bureaus would relate to the sub-divisions.
 
*There is no clearly-defined rank structure.
 
*There is no clearly-defined structure in general.
 
 
===Reform plan===
 
These items are being proposed:
 
*The Federal Police will become known as the Lovian Federal Police to make it more distinct and to make documentation easier.
 
*The current, "local bureaus" will be re-organized as precincts. They will eliminate the need for individual local police agencies. They will be:
 
**Clymene Federal Police Precinct (CFPP)
 
**Kings Federal Police Precinct (SKFPP)
 
**North Sylvania Federal Police Precinct (NSFPP)
 
**Noble City Bay Area Federal Police Precinct (NCBAFPP or NCFPP)
 
**Oceana Federal Police Precinct (OFPP)
 
**Seven Federal Police Precinct (SFPP)
 
*Sub-divisions will be completely overhauled and re-structured as individual bureaus. They will be:
 
**Lovian Federal Security Bureau
 
***The primary and most visible of the bureaus, its purpose is typically just to patrol the precinct and to respond to local threats.
 
**Lovian Federal Investigations Bureau
 
***Its purpose is to provide a less direct response to crime in cases where some detective work is called for.
 
**Lovian Federal Traffic Security Bureau
 
***Its domain is the highways of Lovia, where its handles everything from enforcing the rules of the engaging in high-speed pursuits.
 
**Lovian Federal Coastal Security Bureau
 
***On an island nation such as Lovia, security is just as important out at sea as it is on land. Its job is to prevent illegal activity in the space between the states.
 
***The [[Coastal Police]] will become one with this bureau.
 
**Lovian Federal Counter-terrorism Bureau
 
***The name is pretty self-explanatory here. Its job is to counter large-scale movements of organized crime.
 
**Lovian Royal Guard
 
***A small unit dedicated to protecting the royal family and providing them with their own security. It has been known to extend its protection towards the Prime Minister and congresspeople also. The Royal Guard is a special case because it lead by a specially-appointed Colonel and is stationed in the Noble City Bay Area Federal Police Precinct.
 
***The Royal Guard sub-division already exists, so this will be the only aspect of the Federal Police that won't need to be altered much.
 
*Each precinct will contain roughly a [[Wikipedia:Platoon|platoon]] of members from each bureau (except for the Royal Guard bureau in all precincts other than the NCBAFPP).
 
*The Specialized Forces unit will be dissolved entirely but thats okay because they never did anything anyway.
 
*The rank structure that will be used can be found [[User:Pikapi/Federal Police Officer Ranks|here]].
 
**Anyone above the student rank of Cadet classifies as an officer.
 
***Those who hold the title of Corporal or Corporal First Class are commonly referred to as "Officers" if they serve in any bureau other than Federal Investigations. The proper Federal Investigations equivalent is "Detective" or "Investigator".
 
*Those who hold the title of Cadet are not allowed to serve until they become full officers.
 
*Corporals are standard infantry, and typically serve as unit members unified under a higher-ranking team leader.
 
**As long as there is no higher-ranking officer available, Corporal First Classes are put in charge of lesser ranking officers in their unit.
 
*Lieutenants typically lead a [[Wikipedia:Fireteam|fireteam]] or [[Wikipedia:Squad|squad]] composed of lesser-ranking officers.
 
*Commanders typically lead a squad composed of lesser-ranking officers.
 
*Each precinct will be lead by a Colonel.
 
**Colonels can command anything up-to a [[Wikipedia:Platoon|platoon]] of lesser-ranking officers at once.
 
*Each Bureau will be lead by a Chief.
 
**A Deputy Chief will serve as an advisor to their bureau's Chief.
 
*The Chief of the Federal Police is the ultimate leader of the Federal Police.
 
**The Chief of the Federal Police does not have a deputy. All of the individual bureaus' Chiefs will form a council and serve as advisors to the Chief of the Federal Police.
 
 
===Terms===
 
*[[Rosana de Oliveira-Torres]] will retain her position as Chief of the Federal Police.
 
*[[Christopher Costello]], who is currently in command of the [[Coastal Police]], will inherit the position of Chief of the Federal Coastal Security Bureau.
 
*[[Lars Washington]], who is currently in command of the FP's investigations unit, will inherit the position of Chief of the Federal Investigations Bureau.
 
*The "Bureau Chiefs" from the current system will become Colonels of their respective precincts.
 
*We will need a list of candidates for Chiefs to lead the unclaimed bureaus and Colonels to lead the unclaimed precincts.
 
*Pikapi and anyone who is willing to help gets to overhaul and update the Federal Police article with this new information.
 
*Each individual precinct and bureau will get an article of its own.
 
*DimiTalen might need to create us some logos and seals.
 
 
===Voting===
 
{{voting}}
 
 
====Pro====
 
#{{pro}} 5 votes — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 16:51, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#{{pro}} 11 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:56, August 21, 2012 (UTC) (CCPL)
 
#{{pro}} 11 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#{{pro}} 6 votes - though I'm not sure it needs to be voted through. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 10:16, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:: it doesn't need to and on top of it, all of the stuff within it can only be done through the commissioner who is appointed by the Ministry of Defense not Congress. Besides Costello's Reform is being put through. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 13:04, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#{{pro}} 4 votes ---''It's all here, [[User:Therider|black]] and [[User talk:Therider|white]], clear as [[User blog:Therider|crystal]]. 21:39, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
====Contra====
 
#{{contra}} 6 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:57, August 21, 2012 (UTC) (LMP, PNO, RMP, RTP)
 
#{{contra}} 8 Votes - this is a matter for the police commissioner also, the main problem with this is that you claim there are far too many subdivisions yet create a system which does not minimize them. I would also prefer if my position wasn't undermined through this act and that things were left to the ministries like they are supposed to be. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 03:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I never felt that there were to many divisions, just that they weren't organized well. Also, you had nearly a week to get back to me with your opinion like you said you would. I also didn't realize that the Federal Police fell under the juridistiction of the Minister Defense, however, I am not undermining you by suggesting this, you had no such plan to reform the force in the first place. If you want to work together in the future, I would be happy to collaborate with you. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 03:25, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I agree that the amount of ranks is unnecessary, but otherwise I like the reform. And perhaps we can just consider this a referendum on support for the reform from Congress. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:42, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Mmmm, that we shall do, besides, it would seem that active reform and support are both present. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 14:11, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
====Abstain====
 
#<s>{{abstain}} I don't really understand why this is needed, and it should be in First Chamber first. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:11, August 21, 2012 (UTC)</s>
 
 
#
 
#:I already had this in the First Chamber for a while but for some reason I got very little feedback, and I can see many reasons why these changes are necessary. As it is now, the force is organized in a sloppy and unrealistic manner. This reform will really give the police force the organization it deserves. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 20:41, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::Fair enough. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#<s>{{abstain}} Agree with TM and this would require a change in law; the text you wrote, isn't approvable of being used in the law. -- [[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 18:21, August 21, 2012 (UTC)</s>
 
 
#
 
#:I don't think that would be necessary. As it is, the Federal Police law is very vague and doesn't have any legal documentation on the way the force is organized and/or structured. Clearly, this change can be made within the force and doesn't necessarily require any added legal documentation. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 20:41, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::You're right. I forgot the Local Police Law was repealed. Still, I don't believe it needs to be voted here. The Federal Police Commissioner has full right to do these changes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:49, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::Well yes, but our commissioner was Granero and he appears to be on an indefinite leave. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 20:52, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::::Then the Minister of Denfence should appoint a new commissioner. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:54, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::::I don't follow. Even the Minister of Defense would have had to pass such a reform through congress if he was the one to propose it. I feel that the Minister of Defense has just as much of a right to propose a reform as I have, only I thought this up, and I would like to see these changes put into place. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 03:30, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::::::By law only the Minister of Defense can appoint the Commissioner, not Congress, and therefore by law only the Commissioner can proceed to fulfil said reforms. Law is law, and these changes shall be put in place sooner rather than later. After all Congress is awfully slow atm. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 03:35, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::::::Its good to have your support then. Now that its been proposed, should we at least wait until it is passed by congress? When would you like to see these changes implemented? — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:58, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::::::Well simpler things like rank have already been started to be put in, and along with that a new factor of pay has too. Could you implement the precincts, as in get their pages written, the idea seems to be well developed there in your head. I think things shouldn't be delayed while we have momentum. By the way it's Dimitri that's officially working with Costello to bring in the reforms. Hoffmanns off writing tax stuffs. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 16:29, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== 022. Census Act ==
 
 
#The census is defined as a yearly survey of every household in the Kingdom of Lovia.
 
##Censuses are carried out by a Demographic Center in each state, under the supervision of the Governor.
 
###Congress must send federal inspectors to each Demographic Center to ensure that data collection is being done correctly and to a high standard, and maintaining high statistical reliability.
 
###If there is concern about the census, Congress may choose by a simple majority to order any of all of the Centers to repeat the census.
 
###In extreme cases, Congress may nominate another individual to take over the supervisory role of the Governor.
 
##The data collected must include the following:
 
###Total population by district, neighborhood, hamlet, village, town and city.
 
###Population by ethnic background.
 
###Population by mother language.
 
###Population by religion.
 
##Individual Centers may also choose to collect some or all of the following data:
 
###Population by size of household.
 
###Population by age.
 
###Population by marital status.
 
###Population by country of birth.
 
###Data concerning the possessions of the population, e.g. car or house ownership.
 
###Population by sector of employment.
 
###Percentage of population unemployed or in education.
 
###Population by status of dwelling e.g. rent, full ownership, ownership with mortgage etc.
 
##The census should be carried out in the June of every year.
 
###In the case that the census is delayed in any state for more than a month without prior notice being given by the Governor or Congress, any citizen may take over the supervisory role of the Governor, or request Congress to nominate an individual for this role.
 
###Censuses may also be carried out at other times at the request of Congress, or if a Governor wishes to gather more up-to-date information on their individual state.
 
 
Anyone there? :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:33, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Voting===
 
====Pro====
 
*{{pro}} (6 votes) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:09, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 12:52, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:30, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 8 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 15:09, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
====Contra====
 
====Abstain====
 
*{{abstain}} 11 Votes - I just don't like how things like religion and mother language are required but age is not. I'm afraid I can't vote for this right now. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:21, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstain}} 5 votes - Yes, age does seem like an odd thing not to require for statistical reasons. Its like the only goal of the census is to track the populous by heritage and that kind of thing. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 00:43, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:It's purely a reason of ease. Making a realistic age table is a job that requires studying and a lot of effort. Effort most governors are probably not going to do anyway. We don't want shitty statistics because it's mandatory to have them. It's better to not have in that case. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 03:19, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::Then why are mother language, ethnicity, and religion required? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 11:08, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:::No-one has shown any interest in collecting any of the optional data, though. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:00, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::::Again, then why collect mother language, ethnicity, and religion? From a realistic stance, I don't find those to be more important than say, age, or gender. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:02, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:::::I think it's very much a personal matter on what you think is most important however I would say that age is something that we should definitely include as mandatory, as it ties in so much with education, employment, pensions and so many other things that are hugely important to both the culture and governance of Lovia, but I believe we need this passed so I support it in this form but for ease of it being passed as well as ease for the future I suggest we include age. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 22:23, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::::::I'm not offended that race and religion are required, I just think that age is a pretty major factor and that the government should put some effort into tracking it on a national scale. I feel the same way about a few of the other fields too, but I don't necessarily feel much need to push for that. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 01:38, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:::::::Keep in mind: if we create age diagrams, we will hardly be able to do population boost in the future. Also: take [[Amish Kinley]]: it's mainly younger people living there. I'm concerned that these particularities will not be represented in age figures if we create them too hastily. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:26, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::::::::Anyway, we first need historical populations before we can go on with age figures. So: if somebody has a few months spare time: I'd say go ahead :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:27, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:::::::::Historical populations (histpops? :P) are going to be a real faff to do. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:30, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::::::::::Indeed, from 1870 to 2010 we grew about 200,000 inhabitants, which means originally it went fast (lots of immigrations), then slow, followed by decrease (famines of the 50's), in Oceana closures of the mines (60's-70's) and migration to other nations such as Mäöres (80's) and then a sudden boom by immigration and natural birth up until now. Good luck :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:34, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==023. Second Amendment - Speech Reform==
 
I can't believe that this wasn't present earlier, but after shifting through our [[Constitution]], I noticed an unethical and rather embarrassing lack of "the right to freedom of speech". The small but necessary change that I am proposing is as follows:
 
 
:'''Article 2''', Section 1.1 - Of freedom of thought, '''''speech,''''' meaning and religion.
 
 
If you don't approve of this reform, that would suggest that you are also opposed to freedom of speech, one of the most basic civil liberties.
 
— [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 21:11, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
===Voting===
 
{{Voting}}
 
 
====Pro====
 
*5 votes — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 21:11, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
*11 votes - However, I think this shouldn't be voted on. Just add it. Little errors in the Constitution can be fixed without a vote. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:12, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 08:09, May 28, 2015

Seal of the Second Chamber

Seal of the Second Chamber

National Archives of the Congressional debates and votes:
1. First series
2. Second series
3. Third series
4. Fourth series
5. Fifth series
6. Sixth series
7. Seventh series
8. Eighth series
9. Ninth series
10. Tenth series
11. Eleventh series
12. Twelfth series
13. Thirteenth series
14. Fourteenth series
15. Fifteenth series
16. Sixteenth series

In Lovia, Congress is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The Second Chamber is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the Capitol in Downtown Noble City, in which the Members of the Congress vote bills that originated in the First Chamber. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see 2013 Congress.

Whereas all national citizens may propose bills in the First Chamber, only Members of the Congress may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the Constitution states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."

A normal majority ("fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the Federal Law. To vote on Constitutional amendments, a special majority ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the 2010 State Reform (Sixth Amendment). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.


002. Hoffmann II Government Edit

Feel free to change the names as appropriate.

The above list is my proposed government. It is designed to try and represent the spread of power in the Congress between the parties and allocate Ministries to those with the most interest in said areas and to make sure everyone has something they can focus on. This government is designed to not allow a lurch to the left or right in great degrees but to focus the best policies in the places where they are most needed at the current times.

My proposed budget will be one that aims for a minor deficit, investing in the economy to help it grow, with the intention to pay the debt off next Congress. We shall ensure low taxes on the poorest and try and raise L$2-3 billion (from the current L$8 billion in the economy) to fund government expenditure. I will ask that States do not levy taxes while we rebalance and repair the States that are in most need. We will aim to devolve spending down to Ministries and States where applicable and encourage Ministers to take an active role in allocating resources.

I will personally be introducing the following bills to Congress over the coming months as part of my main aims. They are listed in no particular order.

  • Constitutional Reform Bills
    • Congressional Reform Bill - a bill to reduce the effect of inactives on Congress
    • Second State Reform Bill - a bill to rebalance power between state and federal level
  • State Investment Fund Bill - a bill to introduce controlled economic investment by States
  • Adult Education Bill - a bill to introduce supported adult education, particularly education of the unemployed
  • Trade Disputes Bill - a bill to give unions and workers powers over their labour, and to regulate disputes
  • Health Reform Bills
    • National Health Service Bill - a bill to create a national health service, replacing state models
    • Tripartite Care Bill - a bill to ensure physical, mental and social care are integrated
  • Housing Reform Bills
    • Social Rents Bill - a bill to create a requirement for state and federal governments to provide social rents to the neediest
    • Home Building Bill - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating homes
  • Defence Bills
    • Firearms Reform Bill - a bill to change and better regulate how firearms are controlled in Lovia
    • Militia Reform Bill - a bill to provide for greater ability to persecute insurgents and militia groups
  • Education Reform Bills
    • School Building Bill - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating schools
    • Educational Board Reform Bill - a bill to create one universal educational board to provide official qualifications regulation

Everyone who is in Congress will obviously be able to partake in these debates, and we'll hopefully - as we have in the past - come to a reasonable conclusion on each debate and create many good laws and reforms. These bills that I will introduce do not obviously mean others cannot contribute other bills. I encourage people to come to Congress with issues or ideas so we may debate them and see if legislation is needed.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

ContraEdit

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 11 votes HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Abstention Abstention 7 votes. (This is better than the Hardy proposal, but not yet quite satisfactory. For example, I'd rather have Environment than Energy and Resources, and again the MoTaS thing.) 77topaz (talk) 20:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Abstention Abstention 4 votes. Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 23:16, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Abstention Abstention 8 votes. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 13:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (SLP: now supporting AMWM)

Declined This proposal is declined. Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Comments Edit

The final line up. I hope others make it clear what their final proposals are and move them to the second chamber as well. So that all Congressmembers can see what their choice really is. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 13:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

There has been a slight modification to the proposal I encourage people to vote again. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

004. Conroy I GovernmentEdit

Some minor adjustments have been made to the ministry positions. Users with more than position, feel free to change character names for spares

This is my government proposal. It is a response to calls from throughout our country for a more progressive government, and includes plans for much needed reform.

The following are the policy areas on which I wish to focus over the coming months. I seek to propose the following acts in Congress, in hope of a re-energised and vibrant Lovia.

  • State Governments Act- We seek to open a dialogue with groups from across the spectrum in order to reform how state governments work. Ultimately, our goal is for State Councils to have control over issues such as culture, language, environment and education, with the federal government taking on more responsibility for policy areas such as housing, healthcare and welfare.
  • National Healthcare Act- As mentioned above, we will legislate for a national framework of physical, mental and social healthcare, incorporating the existing state healthcare systems. We hope this will end disparity and inequality between the healthcare services of state governments.
  • Higher Education Act- We will provide further investment in our universities, and open a discussion on tuition fees, with the aim of abolishing them, or at the very least putting a cap on them. This act will also promote higher vocational education and work-based training
  • Housing Act- We will seek to resolve problems with housing across Lovia, with a system of social housing, and increased federal investment in homebuilding.

In addition, I will also seek to implement minor legislation in the following policy areas:

  • Minor amendments to Primary and Secondary Education Acts- Creation of Qualified Teacher Status (QTS) to guarantee high standards of teaching in all Lovian schools
  • Support for working families- We will introduce childcare vouchers to ensure that parents of young children are able to balance work with their family life. We will also consider a system of paid parental leave for new parents, to be shared between both parents.

This vision for a better Lovia brings a fresh perspective to the table. This vision seeks to address the causes of inequality and conflict in our country, and is a fairer deal for all.

We hope this plan for stable leadership will provide for a more prosperous, progressive Lovia that all citizens can benefit from- Frijoles333 TALK 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 11 votes HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (CPL.nm: Excludes CPL.nm; SLP: Inexperienced PM)
  • Contra Contra (15 votes) --OuWTB 08:55, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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  • ...

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 7 votes (similar ideas, but of course, as you posted on mine, we both understand) Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:34, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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  • ...

Declined This proposal is declined. Withdrawn. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I've made a few minor tweaks to the final ministry line up, but the bulk of my plans remain unchanged- Frijoles333 TALK 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Seriously Time? You're voting against this because of the absence of the CPL.nm? They aren't represented by an active user, and never requested any positions. It seems you're looking for any excuse NOT to support me :o Frijoles333 TALK 19:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
And because of the inexperience, and because I only have one ministry (Speaker does not count). :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 19:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
You might be in a more favorable position, with more ministries, had you shown a little more support. There were others who wanted Education by the way, but I still gave it to you because I know you're interested in that issue :o Frijoles333 TALK 20:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Good thing your gov is getting voted down :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
In the grand scheme of things, I don't think you voting down my government is going to have a huge effect on the overall result :o Frijoles333 TALK 20:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
CNP, CCPL, and probably Viva are all not in support. Plus, TM001 is inactive. :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

005. Hardy I GovernmentEdit

  • PM:
    • Neil Hardy (Happy)
  • Agriculture:
    • George Wrexley (TM001)
  • Commerce:
    • Bart Koenen (Bart K)
  • Culture:
    • Arthur Sythey (Sithlent)
  • Defence:
    • Lukas Hoffmann (Kunarian)
  • Education:
    • William Krosby (Time)
  • Energy and resources:
    • Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari (Viva)
  • Environment:
    • Bart Koenen (Bart)
  • Social Affairs:
    • Katie Konroy (Frijoles)
  • Family, youth and elderly:
    • Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
  • Finance:
    • William Krosby (Time)
  • Foreign affairs:
    • Aina Sarria (Traspes)
  • Health:
    • Justin Abrahams (Horton)
  • Justice:
    • Charles Jones (4kant)
  • Labour:
    • Justin Abrahams (Horton)
  • Minorities:
    • Martijn Mans (Martijn)
  • Tourism and sport:
    • Nicholas Sheraldin (Topaz)
  • Transportation:
    • Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
  • Science:
    • Anna-Maria Whitdonck-Malsky (Semyon)
  • Speaker of the Congress:
    • Nicolas Sheraldin (Topaz)

The proposed Hardy I Government would look to create an active and stable congress, including parties from across the spectrum. We feel it is necessary to create a National Health Service, replacing the current system, whereby not all states currently have an active health service. We look to work closely with proposed Minister of Education William Krosby, creating a national education board and providing funds to renovate poor schools. We also look to reduce the effect of inactive members of the congress by creating an edit criteria in the terms of congress members. We look to protect minority languages and culture and teach minority languages in late primary, secondary and tertiary education. We look to impose Animal protection laws, and make sure animal cruelty will be punished.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro (15 votes) --OuWTB 20:41, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro (7 votes) Happy65 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  •  (2 votes) Sithlent (talk) 21:00, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes (CCPL as PM, two T&S ministers?) TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 7 votes (Me and Hardy do have a couple of ideas in common, but I can't vote for a CCPL government) Frijoles333 TALK 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 7 votes. (See TM and Frijoles' comments. Though I have to commend this for being the only proposal with me as at least half the MoTaS. :P) 77topaz (talk) 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 11 votes HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:18, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Declined This proposal is declined. Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

006. AMWM I Government Edit

My government will pursue a socialist course. See my manifesto for more details.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro (6 votes) --Semyon 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro (10 votes) needs more positions for Semyon, though TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:51, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Frijoles333 TALK 22:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (I already pledged support for Hoffmann's proposal, but now I'm liking this new proposal. I will keep pro votes up for both for the time being)
  • Pro Pro 1 Vote Miroslav Znalic 23:18, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (For the first step towards the truly emancipatory collective!)
  • Pro Pro 5 votes Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 23:39, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes. 77topaz (talk) 01:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 11 votes. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 13:17, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro (3 votes) Flag of the Xanian Empire Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:45, May 8, 2015 (UTC) (I had a change of heart. :P)
  • Pro Pro Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:58, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra (15 votes) --OuWTB 21:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention (3 votes) Flag of the Xanian Empire Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:10, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (I'd prefer to be Minister of Justice. No one wanted the position, and I feel that it is more fitting for a man of Rakham's stature.)

Accepted This proposal is accepted! By at least a 51% majority. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Four more votes needed to pass. I hope to see the CNP, Wrexley's branch of the UL, and Asmari's branch of GP supporting this in order to create the best progress Lovia has had in a long time! --William Krosby 13:20, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

The CNP shall not be backing this. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:09, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

I am sadified by that. I suppose we will be better off without anti-progress politicians, though. --William Krosby 16:13, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Once Semyon revotes, we will have 50 votes Pro. Does anyone object to waiving the two week requirement of waiting before enshrinement, due to the fact that 4 of the MOTCS who have not yet voted will far more likely than not vote Pro, making a majority against impossible? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

That's not a majority. A majority is 51. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:57, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the Constitution says that you only need a majority of valid votes after two weeks. But we have a majority now, almost. :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 18:43, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I hereby declare the Whithdonck-Malsky I Government inaugurated. This is a historic moment for progress in this country, and I congratulate all of those involved. --Isabella Munson 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thank the Lovian people and their congress for their support. Let those who oppress the poor, those who view women as inferior, and those who promulgate ethnic tension throughout this land shake in fear. Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 20:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

007. Action against Burenia Edit

Burenia has begun a devastating program of ethnic cleansing against the Kob minority. I propose that Lovia formally condemn these actions, cut all economic ties with Burenia and commit to accepting an unlimited number of Kob refugees.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 7 votes --Semyon 16:23, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 10 votes TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 15 votes --OuWTB 18:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC) Gotta act as Oos Wes Ilava here. My Burenian version disagrees though :o
    • I commend Mr. Ilava for his bravery in defying the powerful Burenian lobby which I know exerts great influence over CCPL. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 20:02, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Flag of Lovia Neil Hardy 21:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes. 77topaz (talk) 01:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra We are in the middle of our own economic crisis, many people in this country need immediate help, the government has done nothing. And now you suggest we accept an unlimited amount of refugees? This government and Congress is truly insane if this passes. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 19:09, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • But how many Kob people are there? 10,000? We can do that, especially with UN/IWO help. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 19:53, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • But there is no plan, no numbers listed above. This government has not even proposed its tax numbers so how it can hope to pay for anything is beyond me. Further for all the talk of progress this government has done little to nothing with the time it has had thus far and I can see them doing even less with the many months ahead. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • What is insane is the utter selfishness of Mr. Hoffmann and the philosophy he represents, preferring to see innocent people die than let a penny of government money be spent to prevent it. I recognise the concept may be alien to members of CNP, but this government has a moral responsibility to act. We have to power to provide succour to the oppressed, that is this government's mandate, and that is what we shall do. If the CNP prefers to lend its support to those that at this moment are gleefully bayoneting babies, let them do so. I fear those Lovians who too suffered at the hands of the Burenians last year will be unimpressed, however. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 19:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • Anna may not even take a moment to consider Lovia but she should be aware that I am not part of the CNP, this would be abundantly clear if she spent but the smallest amount of time reading the papers or watching the news. Action should be taken but to give no plan, no numbers, no nothing is beyond stupid. You talk of government money, but you have none, your government hasn't even proposed let alone passed your taxation rates. You say you have the mandate to provide succour to the oppressed, what about those in Lovia? you've had a month in government and nothing has left your lips concerning the homeless, the jobless nor those who are ill or unwell. This act is nothing more than an impotent government throwing its weight around to try and feel powerful while Lovia slips further into the mire. It would seem that Anna reveals that she cares more about a crisis abroad, proposing a solution however poor it is within days, but cares not one bit about the Lovian, who have suffered for months, not one solution at all from her. She is a hypocrite and a traitor to the people who elected her and to every other Lovian that relies, unfortunately, on this champagne socialist government. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
        • You offend me deeply. This is a humanitarian emergency. A response to a genocide cannot be delayed for petty financial matters to be resolved. Those can be done later. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:13, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
          • You may have skipped a large amount of the issue that I raised but there is no plan here. There is nothing, there isn't even a proposal on how to get the refugees from A to B. You are all patting yourselves on the back because you are unable to realise that without a plan you cannot do anything. Like this government has failed to do anything, you have no plan so you fail. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 23:28, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
            • I view this as a proposal to allow the executive branch to take the actions it sees fit. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
        • Mr. Hoffmann should at the very least respect the authority of this Chamber, if not his own dignity, before befouling it with his feculent orations. His sudden concern for the Lovians whose visages his government ground languidly beneath its foot is inexplicable; rest assured that we will shortly begin action to reverse its depredations. In response to his talk of betrayal, I need give no explanation why I continue to refer to him as a member of CNP. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
          • Anna seems to confuse herself, for years I have campaigned for the worst off in society while she screeched about parties that have bettered Lovia a hundred fold compared to your petulant antics. And you give no explanation because there is none, you are simply out of touch and full of yourself. This government will achieve nothing and will end come the elections and hopefully end your career for good. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Accept refugees? Yes. Accept all 30.000 Kòb people? For a small nation like Lovia, that's not even possible. We should somehow divide the refugees between various nations, and ideally make the Burenian government stop immediately. --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 05:47, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
      • My esteemed colleague makes the point. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 06:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
        • I think the number of Kòbtáale has already sufficiently decreased to a number we can hold though following the atomic attacks on the ^látoskì :o --OuWTB 07:03, May 20, 2015 (UTC) damn keyboard stil not installed :'(
          • Then we still need a number and a plan, even 10,000 is a great amount, that's bigger than most settlements in Lovia bar the largest towns and cities. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 07:08, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
            • We should make a Kòb village in Clymene then :o --OuWTB 07:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
              • Surely one of the Governors who voted in favour should take the refugees into their State? :o Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 07:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                • No, one of the Governors (or all of them) who does not want them in should have them in their state, so they learn the beauty of living together with another culture and what it means to support each other :o --OuWTB 08:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                  • Maybe they should go to Oceana to teach the Oceana to stop being separatists and love their fellows. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 08:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                    • Maybe we should give them a łátoskì on the City Archipelago :o --OuWTB 08:33, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                      • That's not a bad idea, recolonise the Archipelago, they're will be plenty of colonists for the matter. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 08:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                        •  :o --OuWTB 09:04, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                          • After refugees have been accepted, we can consider further action, including distribution to other friendly nations. I will also contact the UN to request their assistance in establishing a refugee camp. The priority is to remove those whose lives are at risk as soon as possible. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                            • You still have no plan for how to get them to said camp. Your ignorance is painful. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

AbstentionEdit

  • Abstention Abstention I'm gonna have to go neutral here. We have our own issues to deal with, as has been pointed out, and an unlimited number of refugees could cause a strain on our resources. That said, we should not turn our backs on refugees. It is too much for Lovia alone to have to take in all these refugees, and it makes more sence to have multiple nations, perhaps even an IWO-wide plan to divide refugees among several nations such as Prasia, Brunant, Insel, Juliana etc. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 19:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • I welcome the support for action on this issue, but would urge UL to support the proposal. This is an extremely urgent situation and we need to evacuate refugees as soon as possible. I strongly agree that we should coordinate with the IWO and hope Mr. Abrahams, with his extensive links abroad, can assist with this. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 20:08, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • Mr. Abrahams has little to no links abroad, sadly (common misconception though). You'd have to talk to the relevant persons abroad. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 21:55, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • ...

5 more votes required. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 13:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I propose immediate military intervention to halt the genocide. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

We do not have an army, however. Many members of this government also adhere to a pacifist philosophy. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 19:58, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Military intervention would require assembling a Multinational Task Force as was done the first time around. And of course if we were to get an army, it'd be some time just to pass the necessary legislation, and a while more to put it into operation. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:03, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

008. Lovia Recycles Act Edit

  1. Recycling in Lovia is mandated by the Federal Government, and both implemented and managed by Lovia's states.
  2. Lovia will employ a common collection system for different types of recycling via a number of bins. These include:
    1. a green bin, for food waste going for composting
    2. a red bin, for plastics, glass and metal
    3. a blue bin, for paper and cardboard
    4. States may add other bins for further recycling including batteries, electronics, hazardous materials and other items not recyclable within the current three bins.
  3. The collection of recyclable materials for the red, green, blue and other potential bins shall be done as for garbage collection.
    1. States are free to determine dates for collection, as well as the frequency, so long as it is done no less than twice per month.
  4. All states will also set up and operate at least one designated collection point for recycling or disposing of items not recyclable via home collection, operating alongside curbside collection.
    1. These collection points may be used to dispose or recycle batteries, electrical and electronic items, hazardous items, construction material, raw materials and large or uncommon items which cannot be properly collected at the curbside.

Please do vote (pro). HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 11 votes. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 15 votes --OuWTB 14:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes. The Minister of Environment is pleased with this effort. :) 77topaz (talk) 20:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 6 votes, though I'm not certain it's a priority. --Semyon 20:26, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 10 votes, agree with Semyon. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Flag of Lovia Neil Hardy 20:52, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 1 Vote Miroslav Znalic 22:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC) (I don't see how it isn't a priority to some extent)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes --Bart K (talk) 11:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes. Did you not revise this at all?? Among other things, who decides how many "collections points" a state has, and how many are used to dispose/recycle batteries (and how is this done), etc? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:12, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • It has been revised and edited (by Semyon as well). The state is free to determine the number, usage and operation of collection points, as long as it is within reason. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 15:20, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

AbstentionEdit

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Accepted This proposal is accepted! with at least 56% of all possible votes. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:54, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

012. Tax RatesEdit

Income Tax:

  • Tax Exclusion of L$30,000
  • First Rate of 20% (30,000 to 60,000)
  • Second Rate of 30% (60,000 to 150,000)
  • Third Rate of 40% (150,000 to 400,000)
  • Fourth Rate of 50% (400,000 to 1,000,000)
  • Fifth Rate of 60% (1,000,000 plus)

Property Tax:

  • Tax Exclusion of 60 square meters for property
  • Property Rate of 50 cents a square meter
  • Tax Exclusion of 40,000 square meters for land
  • Land Rate of 5 cents a square meter
  • Protected Rate of 1 cent a meter ((what is this?))

Imported Sales Tax:

  • 10% IST Rate

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 7 votes, I prefer fairer lower rates that do not attack the rich, especially no tax rates above 50%. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:25, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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AbstainEdit

CommentsEdit

013. Alternate Tax RatesEdit

Income Tax:

Tax Exclusion of L$21,000
First Rate of 20% (21,000 to 52,000)
Second Rate of 30% (52,000 to 144,000)
Third Rate of 40% (144,000 to 626,000)
Fourth Rate of 50% (626,000 plus)

Property Tax:

Tax Exclusion of 60 Square Metres for Property
Property Rate of 50 Cents a Metre
Tax Exclusion of 40,000 Square Metres for Land
Land Rate of 5 Cents a Metre
Protected Rate of 1 Cent a Metre

Imported Sales Tax:

10% IST Rate

It'd raise L$2,643,796,000 Which should be more than enough for the various projects the States and Nation need to enact. It would not certainly be punitive to the richest but would ask them to lend the country a helping hand in this time of need (86% of Income Tax would come from those with over L$100,000 in earnings). The Property taxes allow small farmers and homeowners to be free of tax while requiring large property owning corporations and business people to contribute. The Imported Sales Tax would help keep Lovian industry protected during this fragile time.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes - Too much tax on poor and not enough on rich. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:27, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
The only reason you want tax on the rich is because you hate them with a passion. This tax proposal raises 86% of funds from those with over L$100,000 income and nothing from the poorest 50%. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:45, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
They're hardly any different... TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Again, the only reason they are hardly any different is because you have copied my proposal and hiked up taxes on the rich. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:52, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 2 votes. 20 is very high and you can start with 10%, Kunarian. Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 01:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

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CommentsEdit

An alternate to Time's proposal which is anti-anyone who earns a large amount of money. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:24, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

They're so close though... TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:29, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

The only reason they are close is because yours is essentially a copy of my proposal in the First Chamber with taxes hiked up on the rich. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:41, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Irrelevant. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:43, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Not irrelevant, you don't even under stand the taxes you are raising, as made clear by the non-understanding of the Protected Rate on land tax. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:44, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Not understanding property tax is irrelevant to understanding income tax. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
If you want to go back to income tax, and talk about how you think having punitive taxes on the rich will help Lovia then feel free. For now I'm not replying so that other people can actually get in edgewise on this. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
I may have to vote pro on this, though I really would have liked for the lowest tax bracket only paying 10%. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 12:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
The lowest tax bracket is 0% though. --Semyon 14:24, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I was talking about the lowest tax-paying bracket. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:29, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I'm all for lower taxes, especially on the lower rates. Just so you know, we'd lose about 124,000,000 in funds. If you could get the people who voted pro here to support lowering the first rate to 10% then we could certainly do it. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:05, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I raised the start of the first tax bracket for 21k to 30k, but apparently because adding an extra 10% tax above a million is punitive to the rich, no one's voting pro. Unamused TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 17:23, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
No you raised taxes a lot more than that. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 18:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
Except I didn't? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:02, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Is the property tax per month or per year? --OuWTB 08:09, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

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