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In [[Lovia]], [[Congress]] is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The '''Second Chamber''' is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the [[Capitol]] in [[Downtown]] [[Noble City]], in which the [[Members of the Congress]] vote bills that originated in the [[First Chamber]]. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see [[2012 First Congress]].
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In [[Lovia]], [[Congress]] is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The '''Second Chamber''' is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the [[Capitol]] in [[Downtown]] [[Noble City]], in which the [[Members of the Congress]] vote bills that originated in the [[First Chamber]]. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see [[2013 Congress]].
   
 
Whereas all national [[citizen]]s may propose bills in the First Chamber, only [[Members of the Congress]] may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the [[Constitution]] states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."
 
Whereas all national [[citizen]]s may propose bills in the First Chamber, only [[Members of the Congress]] may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the [[Constitution]] states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."
   
A normal majority ("fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the [[Federal Law]]. To vote on [[Constitution]]al [[amendment]]s, a [[special majority]] ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the [[2010 State Reform]] ([[Sixth Amendment]]). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.
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A normal majority ("more than fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the [[Federal Law]]. To vote on [[Constitution]]al [[amendment]]s, a special majority ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the [[2010 State Reform]] ([[Sixth Amendment]]). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.
 
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== 001. Government ==
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== 002. Hoffmann II Government ==
This is the government proposal, known as the [[Ilava I Government]], that will rule for the duration of the [[2012 First Congress]], unless a dissolution is passed. The proposal includes the [[Speaker of the Congress]] and each ministerial position.
 
   
* [[Prime Minister]]: [[Oos Wes Ilava]] - CCPL
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*[[Prime Minister]]
* [[Minister of Defence]]: [[Lukas Hoffmann]] - CNP
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
* [[Minister of Foreign Affairs]]: [[Semyon Breyev]] - ind.
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*[[Ministry of Agriculture]]
* [[Minister of Finance]]: [[Percival E. Galahad]] - LAP
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**[[Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari]] (Viva)
* [[Minister of Justice]]: [[Bill An]] - PL
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*[[Ministry of Commerce]]
* [[Minister of Health]]: [[James Torres]] - LDP
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**[[Neil Hardy]] (Happy)
* [[Minister of Education]]: [[Matthew McComb]] - PL
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*[[Ministry of Culture]]
* [[Minister of Culture]]: [[Oos Wes Ilava]] - CCPL
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**[[Bart Koenen]] (Bart)
* [[Minister of Labour]]: [[Pierlot McCrooke]] - CPL.nm
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*[[Ministry of Defense]]
* [[Minister of Commerce]]: [[Christopher Costello]] - PL
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
* [[Minister of Agriculture]]: [[Jhon Lewis]] - Labour
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*[[Ministry of Education]]
* [[Minister of Energy and Resources]]: [[Ben Opať]] - MCP
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
* [[Minister of Environment]]: [[Ygo August Donia]] - CCPL
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*[[Ministry of Energy and Resources]]
* [[Minister of Transportation]]: [[Justin Abrahams]] - Labour
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**[[Neil Hardy]] (Happy)
* [[Minister of Tourism and Sport]]: [[Marcus Villanova]] - Labour
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*[[Ministry of Environment]]
* [[Speaker of the Congress]]: [[William Krosby]] - LDP
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Social Affairs]]
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**[[Katie Conroy]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Family, Youth, and Elderly]]
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**[[Oos Wes Ilava]] (Oos)
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*[[Ministry of Finance]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
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*[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Health]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Justice]]
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**[[Charles Jones]] (4Kant)
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*[[Ministry of Labour]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Minority Affairs]]
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**[[Martijn Mans]] (Martijn)
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*[[Ministry of Tourism and Sport]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Transportation]]
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**[[Oos Wes Ilava]] (Oos)
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*[[Ministry of Science]]
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**[[Peter Blanch]] (Semyon)
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*[[Speaker of the Congress]]
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
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Feel free to change the names as appropriate.
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The above list is my proposed government. It is designed to try and represent the spread of power in the Congress between the parties and allocate Ministries to those with the most interest in said areas and to make sure everyone has something they can focus on. This government is designed to not allow a lurch to the left or right in great degrees but to focus the best policies in the places where they are most needed at the current times.
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My proposed budget will be one that aims for a minor deficit, investing in the economy to help it grow, with the intention to pay the debt off next Congress. We shall ensure low taxes on the poorest and try and raise L$2-3 billion (from the current L$8 billion in the economy) to fund government expenditure. I will ask that States do not levy taxes while we rebalance and repair the States that are in most need. We will aim to devolve spending down to Ministries and States where applicable and encourage Ministers to take an active role in allocating resources.
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I will personally be introducing the following bills to Congress over the coming months as part of my main aims. They are listed in no particular order.
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*'''Constitutional Reform Bills'''
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**'''Congressional Reform Bill''' - a bill to reduce the effect of inactives on Congress
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**'''Second State Reform Bill''' - a bill to rebalance power between state and federal level
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*'''State Investment Fund Bill''' - a bill to introduce controlled economic investment by States
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*'''Adult Education Bill''' - a bill to introduce supported adult education, particularly education of the unemployed
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*'''Trade Disputes Bill''' - a bill to give unions and workers powers over their labour, and to regulate disputes
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*'''Health Reform Bills'''
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**'''National Health Service Bill''' - a bill to create a national health service, replacing state models
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**'''Tripartite Care Bill''' - a bill to ensure physical, mental and social care are integrated
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*'''Housing Reform Bills'''
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**'''Social Rents Bill''' - a bill to create a requirement for state and federal governments to provide social rents to the neediest
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**'''Home Building Bill''' - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating homes
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*'''Defence Bills'''
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**'''Firearms Reform Bill''' - a bill to change and better regulate how firearms are controlled in Lovia
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**'''Militia Reform Bill''' - a bill to provide for greater ability to persecute insurgents and militia groups
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*'''Education Reform Bills'''
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**'''School Building Bill''' - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating schools
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**'''Educational Board Reform Bill''' - a bill to create one universal educational board to provide official qualifications regulation
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Everyone who is in Congress will obviously be able to partake in these debates, and we'll hopefully - as we have in the past - come to a reasonable conclusion on each debate and create many good laws and reforms. These bills that I will introduce do not obviously mean others cannot contribute other bills. I encourage people to come to Congress with issues or ideas so we may debate them and see if legislation is needed.
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
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====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*{{Pro}} 11 Votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:48, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} (7 votes) [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 13:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 14 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 23:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
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*<s>{{Pro}} (8 votes) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (SLP)</s>
*{{Pro}} 8 Votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 00:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*<s>{{pro}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:54, May 6, 2015 (UTC)</s>
*{{Pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:08, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (7 votes) [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 14:36, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 3 votes [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 11:07, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (7 votes, read speech in Pub) '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 20:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}}<span style="font-style: normal; "> 11 Votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 12:39, February 3, 2012 (UTC)</span>
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*{{Pro}} (4 votes) --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 08:39, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 5 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} 5 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:40, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{Contra}} 1 vote (Ron Nash) ''I opppose a governemnt with conservatives'' [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 11:07, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} (2 votes) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (CPL.nm: Excludes AMWM and CPL.nm)
*{{contra}} 1 vote [[Joshua Katz]], 16:41, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} (1 vote) [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]]
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{{Accepted}} By a 79% majority! <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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====Abstain====
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*{{Abstention}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 7 votes. (This is better than the Hardy proposal, but not yet quite satisfactory. For example, I'd rather have Environment than Energy and Resources, and again the MoTaS thing.) [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 4 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 23:16, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 8 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (SLP: now supporting AMWM)
   
===Comments===
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{{Declined}} Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
What I learned today: Me + Oos + krosby + Kurnian = half of congress [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 10:55, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Gotta take advantage of that è :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:25, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
I know right :D By the way why is education now education and science again? all of the departments use science to try and improve their ministries. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 14:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It will support science in the genericity (in het algemeen in dutch) [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 14:35, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I understand but it would be easier just to call it the minitry of education. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 14:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Doesn't matter. In Lovia we can use an abbreviation like "MES" (ministry /of/ education /and/ science). Anyway, we need to have a place for science in a ministery and in the Netherlands it's very common to group it with education. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:28, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
@Marcus: Could be useful, except your political views are all totally different. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Pikapi changed it back, because he thought you can't change active proposals. That is true, but in this case you can, because name has little meaning. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
   
Well the point i was making was a good and bad one. A good one beacuse we invest our power in the more advanced and experienced users, who are also more active. Thorugh the two elections i've seen the Younger at the time inactive users only have maybe 7 seats but now have let's say 9 or 10, Movin' on Up!!! Bad cuse we might also invest too much power in too little users. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 22:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
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The final line up. I hope others make it clear what their final proposals are and move them to the second chamber as well. So that all Congressmembers can see what their choice really is. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 13:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
== 002. Educational Reform Act (Part I) ==
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There has been a slight modification to the proposal I encourage people to vote again. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
<big>The 2012 Educational Reform Act - (Part I)</big><br />
 
An act requiring the education of Lovia to be reformed and for the [[SKA|Standard Knowledge Assessment]] to be implemented as the official state-sponsored and subsidized test.
 
* The theories of creationism and evolution will only be taught with permission from the parent/legal guardian.
 
* The SKA may not include any topics about evolution or creationism.
 
* If a school's average grades are below 80 (C-F), the school must offer tutoring every morning and afternoon, unless excused by a reasonable reason from a parent/legal guardian.
 
* Students may choose to be absent for religious holidays, including Passover, Easter, Chinese/Lunar New Year, Christmas, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, etc. They will not be marked absent. Any missing schoolwork will not be required to be turned in, or the due date will be delayed.
 
=== Voting ===
 
{{Voting}}
 
==== Pro ====
 
*{{Pro}} - 3 votes - -- [[Bill An]] 05:21, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - For our children's right to propaganda would be great too! [[Lee Feng]] 05:21, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==== Contra ====
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==004. Conroy I Government==
*{{Contra}} 8 Votes - please fix the thing, write it more as a law and make things less vague then propose it to the second chamber again. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 10:26, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Contra}} (4 votes). This law is against reasonable principles. The part about the telling of thew theories is possibly illegal. Children should be not withheld information due to their parents [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 11:26, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Contra}} 14 votes - It's just random school related laws, like why? [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 12:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==== Abstention ====
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''Some minor adjustments have been made to the ministry positions. Users with more than position, feel free to change character names for spares''
*{{abstain}} 17 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:02, February 5, 2012 (UTC) still too vague: is this just a standardized test or really an entire school program?
 
*{{abstain}} 4 votes --[[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 11:05, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstain}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:23, February 5, 2012 (UTC) not fleshed out enough. edit: Pierlot's point is very good.
 
*{{abstain}} I oppose the teaching of creationism, 'religious holidays' must be better defined, the SKA testing looks inhumane, and I have no idea what it actually is. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:49, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
=== Comment ===
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*[[Prime Minister]]
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**[[Katie Conroy]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Agriculture]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Commerce]]
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**[[Charles Jones]] (4kant)
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*[[Ministry of Culture]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Defence]]
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
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*[[Ministry of Education]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
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*[[Ministry of Energy and Resources]]
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**[[Lukas Hoffmann]] (Kunarian)
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*[[Ministry of Environment]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Social Affairs]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Family, Youth, and Elderly]]
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**[[Sarah Lambert]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Finance]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]
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**[[Liam Mitchell]] (Frijoles)
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*[[Ministry of Health]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Justice]]
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**[[Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari]] (Viva)
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*[[Ministry of Labour]]
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**[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Minorities]]
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**[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Tourism and Sport]]
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**[[Neil Hardy]] (Happy)
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*[[Ministry of Transportation]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Science]]
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**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (Topaz)
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*[[Speaker of the Congress]]
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**[[William Krosby]] (Time)
   
Another, more amusing, flaw just occurred to me. When I was young and less responsible than I am now, I would quite happily have claimed to be a member of every religion on the planet to get days off school. And I'm pretty sure that any student with real dedication could find a religious holiday for every day of the year. :D --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:16, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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This is my government proposal. It is a response to calls from throughout our country for a more progressive government, and includes plans for much needed reform.
   
== 006. Settlement Act Addition ==
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The following are the policy areas on which I wish to focus over the coming months. I seek to propose the following acts in Congress, in hope of a re-energised and vibrant Lovia.
The addition is as followed (also note: this is how is was done when the smart expereniced users were in charge so yeah it's actually for the better of Lovia)
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*'''State Governments Act'''- We seek to open a dialogue with groups from across the spectrum in order to reform how state governments work. Ultimately, our goal is for State Councils to have control over issues such as culture, language, environment and education, with the federal government taking on more responsibility for policy areas such as housing, healthcare and welfare.
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*'''National Healthcare Act'''- As mentioned above, we will legislate for a national framework of physical, mental and social healthcare, incorporating the existing state healthcare systems. We hope this will end disparity and inequality between the healthcare services of state governments.
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*'''Higher Education Act'''- We will provide further investment in our universities, and open a discussion on tuition fees, with the aim of abolishing them, or at the very least putting a cap on them. This act will also promote higher vocational education and work-based training
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*'''Housing Act'''- We will seek to resolve problems with housing across Lovia, with a system of social housing, and increased federal investment in homebuilding.
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In addition, I will also seek to implement minor legislation in the following policy areas:
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*'''Minor amendments to Primary and Secondary Education Acts'''- Creation of Qualified Teacher Status (QTS) to guarantee high standards of teaching in all Lovian schools
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*'''Support for working families'''- We will introduce childcare vouchers to ensure that parents of young children are able to balance work with their family life. We will also consider a system of paid parental leave for new parents, to be shared between both parents.
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This vision for a better Lovia brings a fresh perspective to the table. This vision seeks to address the causes of inequality and conflict in our country, and is a fairer deal for all.
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We hope this plan for stable leadership will provide for a more prosperous, progressive Lovia that all citizens can benefit from- '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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===Voting===
   
*# The current existing Cities are:
 
*## [[Newhaven]] and [[Noble City]]
 
*# The current existing Towns are:
 
*## [[Sofasi]] and [[Hurbanova]]
 
*# The current existing Neighborhoods are:
 
*## [[Artista]], [[Bayside]], [[Citizen Corner]], [[Downtown]], [[Industrial Park]], [[King's Gardens]], [[Little Europe]], [[Little Frisco]], [[Long Road]], [[Mandarin Village]], [[New Town]], [[Old Harbor]], [[The Mall]], [[Trading Quarter]], [[Transcity]], [[Abby Springs]], [[Malipa]], [[Newhaven (neighborhood)]], [[Old Port]], [[Pines]], [[Canterbury]], [[Drake Town]], [[Hightech Valley]], [[Hurket-on-Kings]], [[Millstreet]], [[Newport]], [[Nicholasville]], [[Orange Gardens]], [[Muza]]
 
*# The current existing Hamlets are:
 
*## [[Beaverwick]], [[Clave Rock]], [[East Hills]], [[Plains]]
 
*# The current existing Villages are:
 
*## [[Adoha]], [[Charleston]], [[Kinley]], [[Portland]], [[Train Village]], [[Novosevensk]].
 
=== Voting ===
 
 
{{Voting}}
 
{{Voting}}
==== Pro ====
 
*{{Pro}} &ndash; 14 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 14:41, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* Weak {{pro}} &ndash; 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} &ndash; 8 Votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 15:35, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
* <s>{{pro}} &ndash; 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 15:43, February 11, 2012 (UTC)</s>
 
* {{pro}} (4 votes) to approving Sjorkskingma's version. --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 16:14, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==== Contra ====
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====Pro====
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*{{Pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
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====Contra====
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*{{Contra}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (CPL.nm: Excludes CPL.nm; SLP: Inexperienced PM)
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*{{contra}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:55, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
 
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==== Abstention ====
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====Abstain====
*{{abstention}} 11 votes - not as an addition to the settlement act. Only a recognition of existing localities. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:57, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 7 votes (similar ideas, but of course, as you posted on mine, we both understand) [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:34, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
* {{abstention}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 17:06, February 11, 2012 (UTC) I fully agree with TM, we need a recognition of Plains, not an addition to the law.
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* {{abstain}} (5 votes) If we want Plains to become official, we recognize it in the vote below. We don't need an unnecessary addition to the settlement act. — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 17:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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=== Comment ===
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{{Declined}} Withdrawn. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
Fine, would you two be open to making a National Congressperson Order but just for Cities and Hamlets and such? It would just keep things clarified, which is all I want. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 17:23, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==007. Recognition of Plains ==
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===Comments===
I find it ridiculous that we have something important that we all agree on, the recognition of Plains as a hamlet, but a really small point causes deadlock. (Deja vu anyone?) So, let's at least pass this, and argue over the rest later on:
 
   
:''Congress recognizes Plains as a hamlet located in the north of Asian Island''
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I've made a few minor tweaks to the final ministry line up, but the bulk of my plans remain unchanged- '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
--[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:17, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:Seriously Time? You're voting against this because of the absence of the CPL.nm? They aren't represented by an active user, and never requested any positions. It seems you're looking for any excuse NOT to support me :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 19:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Pro===
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::And because of the inexperience, and because I only have one ministry (Speaker does not count). :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 6 votes, --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:17, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 5 votes, — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 17:24, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 17 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 17:39, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 11 votes sounds good. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:10, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 4 votes --[[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 18:20, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 8 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 20:21, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
{{accepted}} with a 51% majority, in just over three hours. Not bad. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 21:49, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===Contra===
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:::You might be in a more favorable position, with more ministries, had you shown a little more support. There were others who wanted Education by the way, but I still gave it to you because I know you're interested in that issue :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 20:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
===Abstention===
 
*{{abstain}} (14 Votes) Read perivous vote comment above ^^^^ i think we can find a comprimise there. --[[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 17:31, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Perhaps, but I think it's unnecessary.
 
:*No just willy-nilly approving new settlements and not even putting it in a law book in unnecessary. a NSO i needed and will be approved. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:13, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*If it's needed, then how come we've done fine without it before? We can just recognize the existing municipalities and localities, like before, periodically. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:15, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*IDk i find it quite uncivilized =P, idk why there should be oppiosition to this, it just helps people, at the most it dosen't do harm just good. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:18, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Probably because it's like the Congressional Journal, which in theory is helpful but turned out to be not that helpful. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:24, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Marcus, why don't you at least vote pro for this, so we can make Plains official? Then we can consider your plan afterwards. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:07, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*I'm not saying no to this, Like first we adopt the outline and then fill it in with plains and other settlements. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 19:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*There is no need for an outline (we have the settlement act and lists in several places, NO NEED), and what's wrong with first approving plains, and then adopting the outline? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:34, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Uhhh Wait so can we then approve the NSO after this? [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 19:38, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Depends if it gets the required support. But possibly. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:44, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:*Well I support Plains, but the NSO also needs to pass too. I would also like to propose a settlement after the NSO passes, I think it promotes new settlements and boosts the lovian population. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 19:48, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==008. Eleventh Amendment - Judicial Reform==
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::::Good thing your gov is getting voted down :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
=== Article 9 ===
 
'''Article 9''' – Supreme Court Trials
 
# The Supreme Court is an independent institution and the nation's only and supreme judicial organ, led by '''three''' Supreme Court Judges.
 
# A lawsuit is a civil or public action brought before a court of law in which a plaintiff, a party who claims to have received damages from a defendant's actions, seeks a legal or equitable remedy, from the defendant who is required to respond to the plaintiff's complaint.
 
# A lawsuit can be opened by a plaintiff or a public plaintiff.
 
## Any person in Lovia may be a plaintiff in a lawsuit.
 
## A public plaintiff is a representative of the federal government or any institution of it or any other level of administration in Lovia.
 
### The federal attorney is the public plaintiff representing the federal government, the entire population or any other administrative institution of the federal level in court. He or she is appointed by the Minister of Justice.
 
# A defendant is the party accused by the plaintiff.
 
## A public defendant has the same status as a public plaintiff.
 
# '''The Judges, plaintiff and defendent must all be different people. If one of Judges are involved in the case, he/she must resign and a replacement be nominated.'''
 
# Both parties may opt to be represented in court by a lawyer.
 
# Every lawsuit before the Supreme Court must proceed in this manner and order:
 
## The plaintiff opens the lawsuit.
 
### The plaintiff makes an accusation and names the defendant in the lawsuit.
 
### The plaintiff may make a demand. This can be a period of imprisonment, a fine or/and any other punishment not contradicting the laws of Lovia.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must investigate the accusation. They may find the accusation not suited for Supreme Court; that is when the accusations made are in no way a violation of the law.
 
## The Supreme Court must notify the defendant that he or she is accused in court.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must read out the case, including accusations and demands.
 
## The plaintiff's party must speak before court in order to convince the Supreme Court Judges of the truthfulness of the made claims. He or she may bring forward witnesses, that can be asked questions directly relating to the accusations, and/or evidence material. He or she may ask the defendant's party questions directly relating to the accusations.
 
## The defendant's party may speak before court. The defendant or his or her lawyer may plea guilty to the accusations, or unguilty. He or she may also try to convince the Supreme Court Judges of extenuating circumstances. The defendant is free to bring forward witnesses and evidence, both directly relating to the accusations or to the extenuating circumstances.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must consider both pleas thorougly and by interpreting the laws of Lovia.
 
## The plaintiff's party may demand a second round, for which the same rules account.
 
## The defendant's party may demand a second round, for which the same rules account, but only if the plaintiff's party has made use of their second round.
 
## The Supreme Court Judges must consider the entirity of the lawsuit. The Judges must, within two week's time since the last plea, come to a conclusion. They may conclude:
 
### That the defendant is guilty of the accusations, or of a part of the accusations;
 
### That the defendant is not guilty of any accusations.
 
##'''All Judges must agree on the conclusion, except in the following circumstances:'''
 
###'''One of the Judges does not make an edit for a full week. In this situation, the agreement of the two remaining Judges will suffice.'''
 
###'''The Judges disagree completely over the verdict to give. In this case, the Judges must announce their inability to judge the case and stand down. Three new Judges must be appointed and continue with the case.'''
 
## If the Supreme Court Judges find the defendant guilty, he or she may choose to sentence the defendant, by means of:
 
### A period of imprisonment in a federal penitentiary;
 
### A fine;
 
### Any other sentence, including penal labor or contributions to Lovian society.
 
## All sentences issued by the Supreme Court:
 
### Must be in agreement with the laws of Lovia;
 
### Must be in proportion to the violation;
 
### Must respect the personal integrity of the individual; therefore death penalty, corporal punishment and inhumane forms of humiliation are prohibited.
 
#<del>The Supreme Court Judge is appointed by the Federal Secretary of Justice. This appointment must be confirmed by Congress, by a normal majority.</del>
 
#'''Potential candidates for the position of Supreme Court Judges must give their names to the Minister for Justice, who will officially announce the candidacies in Congress.'''
 
##'''The three candidates that receive the most votes, after a voting period of two weeks, will become Judges.'''
 
##'''Not more than one candidate may stand from each political party.'''
 
## The term of '''each''' Supreme Court Judge <del>does not necessarily coincide with the Congressional term, nor with the duration of a federal government. The Supreme Court Judge must maintain his or her duty until another is appointed and confirmed; only then is his or her service terminated.</del> '''lasts for six months, or shorter, if he/she resigns due to personal reasons or a conflict of interests, or if the Judges declare their inability to judge the case.'''
 
###'''At the end of his/her term, the Judge must stand down and another must be elected.'''
 
###'''Judges must not remain in office for two consecutive terms, except in exceptional circumstances, such as if there are no other candidates.'''
 
##If one of the Supreme Court Judge resigns from his or her duty, the Department of Justice is bound to appoint a successor, with Congressional confirmation, within one month's time. It is the Supreme Court Judges' duty to continue their service until another Judge is confirmed, and until all ongoing cases are terminated, or prepared to be passed on to his successor, without causing disturbances.
 
## Congress has the unique power to discharge a Supreme Court Judge forthwith, by a special majority. The Department of Justice is then bound to appoint a successor, with Congressional confirmation, within one month's time.
 
   
I think we have enough support for this bill to pass, and it has been open for discussion for long enough. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:::::In the grand scheme of things, I don't think you voting down my government is going to have a huge effect on the overall result :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 20:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
Another 15 votes needed. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:43, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::CNP, CCPL, and probably Viva are all not in support. Plus, TM001 is inactive. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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== 005. Hardy I Government==
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* PM:
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** Neil Hardy (Happy)
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* Agriculture:
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** George Wrexley (TM001)
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* Commerce:
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** Bart Koenen (Bart K)
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* Culture:
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** Arthur Sythey (Sithlent)
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* Defence:
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** Lukas Hoffmann (Kunarian)
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* Education:
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** William Krosby (Time)
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* Energy and resources:
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** Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari (Viva)
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* Environment:
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** Bart Koenen (Bart)
  +
* Social Affairs:
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** Katie Konroy (Frijoles)
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* Family, youth and elderly:
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** Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
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* Finance:
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** William Krosby (Time)
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* Foreign affairs:
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** Aina Sarria (Traspes)
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* Health:
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** Justin Abrahams (Horton)
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* Justice:
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** Charles Jones (4kant)
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* Labour:
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** Justin Abrahams (Horton)
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* Minorities:
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** Martijn Mans (Martijn)
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* Tourism and sport:
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** Nicholas Sheraldin (Topaz)
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* Transportation:
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** Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
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* Science:
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** Anna-Maria Whitdonck-Malsky (Semyon)
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* Speaker of the Congress:
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** Nicolas Sheraldin (Topaz)
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The proposed Hardy I Government would look to create an active and stable congress, including parties from across the spectrum. We feel it is necessary to create a National Health Service, replacing the current system, whereby not all states currently have an active health service. We look to work closely with proposed Minister of Education William Krosby, creating a national education board and providing funds to renovate poor schools. We also look to reduce the effect of inactive members of the congress by creating an edit criteria in the terms of congress members. We look to protect minority languages and culture and teach minority languages in late primary, secondary and tertiary education. We look to impose Animal protection laws, and make sure animal cruelty will be punished.
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
{{voting}}
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{{Voting}}
====Pro====
 
   
*{{pro}} 6 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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====Pro====
*{{pro}} 4 votes -- [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 12:26, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 20:41, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:49, February 12, 2012 (UTC) Although, the exceptional circumstance thing is a bit undemocratic.
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*{{pro}} (7 votes) [[User:Happy65|Happy65]] 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 13 Votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 13:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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* (2 votes) [[User:Sithlent|Sithlent]] ([[User talk:Sithlent|talk]]) 21:00, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 14 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:19, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} 4 votes --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 13:28, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} 8 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 22:36, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
* {{pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:32, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
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*{{Contra}} 10 votes (CCPL as PM, two T&S ministers?) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes (Me and Hardy do have a couple of ideas in common, but I can't vote for a CCPL government) '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes. (See TM and Frijoles' comments. Though I have to commend this for being the only proposal with me as at least half the MoTaS. :P) [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
*{{Contra}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 13:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (nothing against you, I still don't like judges and strong courts at a federal level) (Progressive Conservative Party)
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====Abstain====
*{{contra}} 2 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (PNO)
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*{{Abstention}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:18, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
* ...
 
   
====Abstention====
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{{Declined}} Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
* {{abstention}} 1 vote. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (RTP)
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===Discussion===
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{{accepted}}, which is good. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:04, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
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== 006. AMWM I Government ==
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*[[Prime Minister]]
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**[[AMWM]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Agriculture]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Commerce]]
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**[[Jon Johnson]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Culture]]
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**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
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*[[Ministry of Defence]]
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**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
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*[[Ministry of Education]]
  +
**[[William Krosby]] (TM)
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*[[Ministry of Energy and Resources]]
  +
**[[Aina Sarria]] (Traspes)
  +
*[[Ministry of Environment]]
  +
**[[Nicholas Sheraldin]] (77topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Social Affairs]]
  +
**[[Katie Conroy]] (Frijoles)
  +
*[[Ministry of Family, Youth, and Elderly]]
  +
**[[Sarah Lambert]] (Frijoles)
  +
*[[Ministry of Finance]]
  +
**[[Lucy Austira]] (TM)
  +
*[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]
  +
**[[Liam Mitchell]] (Frijoles)
  +
*[[Ministry of Health]]
  +
**[[Justin Abrahams]] (Horton)
  +
*[[Ministry of Justice]]
  +
**[[Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari]] (Viva)
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*[[Ministry of Labour]]
  +
**[[Miroslav Znalic]] (Marcus)
  +
*[[Ministry of Minorities]]
  +
**[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] (Semyon)
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*[[Ministry of Transportation]]
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**[[George Wrexley]] (TM001)
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*[[Ministry of Tourism and Sport]]
  +
**[[Levi Straszev]] (77topaz)
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*[[Ministry of Science]]
  +
**[[Peter Blanch]] (Semyon)
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*[[Speaker of the Congress]]
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**[[Isabella Munson]] (TM)
   
==009. The Other Parts of the Judicial Reform (take 3)==
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My government will pursue a socialist course. See my manifesto for more details.
=== Article 1 ===
 
'''Article 1 A''' - [[Lovia]]n National State
 
# Lovia is a sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible National State.
 
# Lovia is a democratic and social state, governed by the rule of law, in which human dignity, the [[citizen]]s' rights and freedoms, the free development of human personality, justice and political pluralism represent supreme values, in the spirit of the democratic traditions of the Lovian people and shall be guaranteed.
 
# Lovia shall be organized based on the principle of the separation and balance of powers - legislative, executive, and judicial - within the framework of constitutional democracy. Therefore no person is entitled to combine a top function in two or three branches of government; thus, the ruling monarch, the Prime Minister and the Supreme Court Judge shall be no less than three different persons.
 
# In Lovia, the observance of the Constitution, its supremacy and the laws shall be mandatory.
 
# The national sovereignty shall reside within the Lovia people, that shall exercise it by means of their representative bodies, resulting from free, periodical and fair elections, as well as by referendum.
 
# No group or person may exercise sovereignty in one's own name.
 
   
'''Article 1 B''' - [[Lovia]] is a monarchy, ruled by the ruling monarch.
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===Voting===
# The [[ruling monarch]] is the person who legally inherited the throne from the previous ruling monarch. He or she is thus a descendant of the first Lovian monarch, King Arthur I of Lovia (Arthur Noble).
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{{Voting}}
## The ruling monarch can be either male (the King) or female (the Queen).
 
# The method of the line of succession to the Lovian throne is absolute cognatic primogeniture. Therefore, the person who legally inherits the Lovian throne, after the previous ruling monarch has either deceased or abdicated, is the person who is the eldest child of the previous monarch. If the monarch had no children, the throne goes to the next oldest sibling, followed by younger siblings and cousins.
 
## All descendants of Arthur I of Lovia are part of the line of succession, regardless of any activity, except for those that have requested that they be removed.
 
# The partner of the ruling monarch is the person who legally married the ruling monarch. They are a member of the royal family, but they do not enjoy privileges over the citizens of Lovia.
 
# The person first in line to the throne is known as the heir apparent, and becomes monarch after the previous monarch has abdicated or deceased.
 
## The heir apparent to the throne will sign the Constitution upon their coronation.
 
## The heir apparent assumes the throne after they have presented themself to Congress on invitation of a normal majority in Congress. After this, the heir is officially declared Monarch of Lovia.
 
# The ruling monarch has the right to demand financial support from the Department of Finance, in which case the Minister of Finance can decide to grant the ruling monarch an amount of money, in agreement with Congress.
 
## The maximum amount of financial support that can be given is 4000 Lovian dollars per month.
 
# With the exception of the ruling monarch in function, no member of the royal family is granted extra-legal privileges. Each member of the royal family, with the exception of the ruling monarch in function, is a regular citizen as determined by the Constitution.
 
# The ruling monarch's functions in the government are ceremonial.
 
## The ruling monarch should preside over Congress, in partnership with the Speaker of the Congress.
 
## The ruling monarch does not have a vote in Congress, but is free to discuss and make opinions on the laws and activities of Congress.
 
   
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*{{pro}} (6 votes) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (10 votes) needs more positions for Semyon, though <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:51, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 22:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (I already pledged support for Hoffmann's proposal, but now I'm liking this new proposal. I will keep pro votes up for both for the time being)
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*{{Pro}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Miroslav]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Znalic]] 23:18, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (For the first step towards the truly emancipatory collective!)
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*{{Pro}} 5 votes [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 23:39, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 01:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:17, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} (3 votes) [[File:Flag of the Xanian Empire.svg|30px|border|link=http://xania-encyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Xania_Encyclopedia_Wiki|The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki]] [[User:Vivaporius|Vivaporius]]: <small>"[[User talk:Vivaporius|I don't need a slogan]]"</small> 14:45, May 8, 2015 (UTC) (I had a change of heart. :P)
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*{{Pro}} [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:58, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
=== Article 4 ===
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====Contra====
'''Article 4''' The structure of Lovia
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*{{Contra}} (15 votes) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 21:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
# The Kingdom of Lovia is governed on different levels:
 
## The federal level encompasses the entire Lovian territory.
 
### The executive power of the federal level inheres to the Government of Lovia. This government consists of the [[Prime Minister]] and the ministers of the federal government, and has control over government departments, government institutions and civil services.
 
#### The Prime Minister and other ministers are Members of the Congress; however, the heads of government institutions and civil services do not need to be Members of the Congress.
 
### All legislative power inheres to the Lovian [[Congress]]. This parliamentary body consists of the [[Members of the Congress]], who are either democratically elected by the citizens of Lovia or who are Member by Right (the ruling monarch). Congress may, as the sole body in the nation, write and amend legal matters in the [[Federal Law]] and the [[Constitution]].
 
### All judicial power inheres to the [[Supreme Court]] of Lovia.
 
## The state level consists of five states with limited powers: [[Clymene]], [[Kings]], [[Oceana]], [[Seven]] and [[Sylvania]].
 
### The executive power of the federal level inheres to the Governor and Deputy Governor of each state, both democratically elected by the citizens of each state.
 
### The local level, consisting of cities and towns, and the sublocal level, consisting of neighborhoods and hamlets, are governed by the state authorities.
 
   
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====Abstain====
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*<strike>{{Abstention}} (3 votes) [[File:Flag of the Xanian Empire.svg|30px|border|link=http://xania-encyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Xania_Encyclopedia_Wiki|The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki]] [[User:Vivaporius|Vivaporius]]: <small>"[[User talk:Vivaporius|I don't need a slogan]]"</small> 20:10, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (I'd prefer to be Minister of Justice. No one wanted the position, and I feel that it is more fitting for a man of Rakham's stature.)</strike>
   
=== Article 8 ===
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{{Accepted}} By at least a 51% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
'''Article 8''' – Elections and the formation of a federal government
 
# Federal Elections:
 
## Every year federal elections must be held for the election of the 100 seat Congress.
 
## The term of office of every Member of the Congress is exactly one year. Therefore every year the elections should be held at the same date.
 
## Election procedure during Federal Elections:
 
### During a period of three weeks, any Lovian citizen can, without restrictions, become a candidate in the Federal Elections. This period begins exactly one month and twenty-one days before Inauguration Day.
 
### During a period of three weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her votes in favor of candidates in the Federal Elections.
 
#### Every citizen may cast three favorable votes in the Federal Elections: a Major Vote, a Minor Vote and a Favor Vote. A Major Vote is worth three points, a Minor Vote two and a Favor Vote one.
 
#### Citizens may choose not to cast their votes, or to only cast some of them.
 
#### Citizens may not cast multiple votes for the same candidate. All cast votes must be given to different candidates.
 
#### All citizens must receive at least three points to receive any seats in Congress.
 
### The normal dates of elections, excluding the possibility of a dissolution of Congress, are set at December 10th to 31st for nominations, and from January 1st to 21st for voting. Inauguration Day is set at February 1st.
 
### All candidates will complete the elections with a percentage of the total votes, with the exception of those that have withdrawn.
 
#### The percentage of votes cast to a certain candidate from the total votes cast is the amount of seats in Congress that the candidate will control.
 
##### The congressperson may delegate their seats to all the parties that they wish, but still control the votes of each congressperson.
 
## New federal elections must be held when more than half of the Members of the Congress are inactive; either self-declared or if they have not edited for over a month (30 days).
 
# The Prime Minister and Ministers of the Federal Government:
 
## A coalition of political parties and/or Members of the Congress that control more than 50% of the seats of Congress should form between the end of elections and Inauguration Day.
 
## The coalition should create a proposal of which Members of the Congress should become the Prime Minister and the ministers of the federal government. This proposal must be approved by a normal majority in Congress.
 
### If no government proposal is approved, then the former government should continue its duties until a government proposal is approved by Congress.
 
## A Member of the Congress should be elected by a normal majority of Congress to become the Speaker of the Congress, who presides over Congress in conjunction with the ruling monarch.
 
### The Speaker of the Congress has the power to appoint a special session of congress in the case that more than half of congressional members are inactive and elections are not being held.
 
## Congress should be able to question all executing members of government - of any level - about their activities. If the congress has lost their trust in the questioned person, a motion of distrust may be proposed in congress against him or her. When this motion is accepted by a normal majority, he or she has to resign from the government and a replacement has to be proposed by another Member of the Congress, accepted by the person who is nominated, and approved by Congress.
 
## When Congress has lost its trust in the incumbent government, it can vote a motion of no confidence. When this motion is accepted by a normal majority, both the government and Congress are dissolved and new federal elections are to be held, with the former government and congress continuing until inauguration of the new congress.
 
## If the Prime Minister or a minister resigns, a replacement has to be proposed by another Member of the Congress, accepted by the person who is nominated, and approved by Congress.
 
## The Prime Minister may schedule new federal elections at any time. If he or she decides to do so, both the government and Congress are dissolved and new federal elections are to be held, with the former government and congress continuing until inauguration of the new congress.
 
# State Elections:
 
## Every Lovian citizen has the right to become a candidate for Governor of a state wherein he or she has an official residence.
 
### It is not permitted to be a candidate during a state election in more than one state.
 
## The term of office of the elected Governor and Deputy Governor is exactly one year. Therefore every year the elections should be held at the same date.
 
## Election procedure during State Elections:
 
### During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen and resident of the state can become a candidate in the State Elections. This period begins exactly one month before the day of the inauguration of the Governor and Deputy Governor.
 
### During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her vote in favor of a candidate in the State Elections of the state of which he or she is an official resident.
 
#### Every citizen may cast one vote per state election. Inhabitants of multiple states have the right to cast one vote for each state in which they have an official residence.
 
#### Citizens may choose not to cast their vote.
 
### The normal dates of elections, excluding the possibility of a resignation of both Governor and Deputy Governor, are set at September 16th to 30th for nominations, and from October 1st to 14th for voting. Inauguration Day is set at November 1st.
 
### The candidate who received the highest number of votes and at least three will become Governor of the state in which he or she participated in the state elections.
 
#### In the case of an ex aequo, a second voting round must be held within two weeks' time.
 
#### The Governor is in charge of the competencies given to the state government.
 
### The candidate who received the second highest number of votes and at least three will become Deputy Governor of the state in which he or she participated in the state elections.
 
#### The Deputy Governor is in temporary charge of the state competencies during the absence of the Governor.
 
#### Upon the resignation of the Governor, or any other instance causing the Governor to quit, the Deputy Governor becomes Governor and will keep this office until the next elections.
 
   
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Four more votes needed to pass. I hope to see the CNP, Wrexley's branch of the UL, and Asmari's branch of GP supporting this in order to create the best progress Lovia has had in a long time! --[[William Krosby]] 13:20, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
This is the old non-judicial amendment that didn't get passed due to inactivity--you can read what it does. I've also changed federal secretaries to ministers of the federal government. <small>[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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The CNP shall not be backing this. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 16:09, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Voting===
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I am sadified by that. I suppose we will be better off without anti-progress politicians, though. --[[William Krosby]] 16:13, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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Once Semyon revotes, we will have 50 votes Pro. Does anyone object to waiving the two week requirement of waiting before enshrinement, due to the fact that 4 of the MOTCS who have not yet voted will far more likely than not vote Pro, making a majority against impossible? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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:That's not a majority. A majority is 51. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:57, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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::Yes, but the Constitution says that you only need a majority of valid votes after two weeks. But we have a majority now, almost. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:43, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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I hereby declare the [[Whithdonck-Malsky I Government]] inaugurated. This is a historic moment for progress in this country, and I congratulate all of those involved. --[[Isabella Munson]] 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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I thank the Lovian people and their congress for their support. Let those who oppress the poor, those who view women as inferior, and those who promulgate ethnic tension throughout this land shake in fear. [[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 20:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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== 007. Action against Burenia ==
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Burenia has begun a devastating program of ethnic cleansing against the Kob minority. I propose that Lovia formally condemn these actions, cut all economic ties with Burenia and commit to accepting an unlimited number of Kob refugees.
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===Voting===
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*{{Pro}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:23, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
* {{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:57, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
* {{pro}} 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:59, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 18:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC) Gotta act as Oos Wes Ilava here. My Burenian version disagrees though :o
*{{Pro}} 11 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:03, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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**I commend Mr. Ilava for his bravery in defying the powerful Burenian lobby which I know exerts great influence over CCPL. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 20:02, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}}<span style="font-style: normal; "> 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:15, February 16, 2012 (UTC)</span>
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 21:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 4 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 22:38, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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**I thank Mr. Hardy and the CCPL for their support. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 21:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 5 votes [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 00:20, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 01:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{Contra}} 4 votes - Confederate members of the CNP voting - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 22:40, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} We are in the middle of our own economic crisis, many people in this country need immediate help, the government has done nothing. And now you suggest we accept an '''unlimited''' amount of refugees? This government and Congress is truly insane if this passes. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 19:09, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Contra}} 4 votes --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 23:52, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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**But how many Kob people are there? 10,000? We can do that, especially with UN/IWO help. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 19:53, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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***But there is no plan, no numbers listed above. This government has not even proposed its tax numbers so how it can hope to pay for anything is beyond me. Further for all the talk of progress this government has done little to nothing with the time it has had thus far and I can see them doing even less with the many months ahead. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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**What is insane is the utter selfishness of Mr. Hoffmann and the philosophy he represents, preferring to see innocent people die than let a penny of government money be spent to prevent it. I recognise the concept may be alien to members of CNP, but this government has a moral responsibility to act. We have to power to provide succour to the oppressed, that is this government's mandate, and that is what we shall do. If the CNP prefers to lend its support to those that at this moment are gleefully bayoneting babies, let them do so. I fear those Lovians who too suffered at the hands of the Burenians last year will be unimpressed, however. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 19:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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***Anna may not even take a moment to consider Lovia but she should be aware that I am not part of the CNP, this would be abundantly clear if she spent but the smallest amount of time reading the papers or watching the news. Action should be taken but to give no plan, no numbers, no nothing is beyond stupid. You talk of government money, but you have none, your government hasn't even proposed let alone passed your taxation rates. You say you have the mandate to provide succour to the oppressed, what about those in Lovia? you've had a month in government and nothing has left your lips concerning the homeless, the jobless nor those who are ill or unwell. This act is nothing more than an impotent government throwing its weight around to try and feel powerful while Lovia slips further into the mire. It would seem that Anna reveals that she cares more about a crisis abroad, proposing a solution however poor it is within days, but cares not one bit about the Lovian, who have suffered for months, not one solution at all from her. She is a hypocrite and a traitor to the people who elected her and to every other Lovian that relies, unfortunately, on this champagne socialist government. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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****You offend me deeply. This is a humanitarian emergency. A response to a genocide cannot be delayed for petty financial matters to be resolved. Those can be done later. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:13, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*****You may have skipped a large amount of the issue that I raised but there is no plan here. There is nothing, there isn't even a proposal on how to get the refugees from A to B. You are all patting yourselves on the back because you are unable to realise that without a plan you cannot do anything. Like this government has failed to do anything, you have no plan so you fail. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 23:28, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
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******I view this as a proposal to allow the executive branch to take the actions it sees fit. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 00:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*******Then it is true, you have no plan. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 06:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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****Mr. Hoffmann should at the very least respect the authority of this Chamber, if not his own dignity, before befouling it with his feculent orations. His sudden concern for the Lovians whose visages his government ground languidly beneath its foot is inexplicable; rest assured that we will shortly begin action to reverse its depredations. In response to his talk of betrayal, I need give no explanation why I continue to refer to him as a member of CNP. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*****Anna seems to confuse herself, for years I have campaigned for the worst off in society while she screeched about parties that have bettered Lovia a hundred fold compared to your petulant antics. And you give no explanation because there is none, you are simply out of touch and full of yourself. This government will achieve nothing and will end come the elections and hopefully end your career for good. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**Accept refugees? Yes. Accept all 30.000 Kòb people? For a small nation like Lovia, that's not even possible. We should somehow divide the refugees between various nations, and ideally make the Burenian government stop immediately. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 05:47, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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***My esteemed colleague makes the point. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 06:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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****I think the number of Kòbtáale has already sufficiently decreased to a number we can hold though following the atomic attacks on the ^látoskì :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 07:03, May 20, 2015 (UTC) damn keyboard stil not installed :'(
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*****Then we still need a number and a plan, even 10,000 is a great amount, that's bigger than most settlements in Lovia bar the largest towns and cities. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 07:08, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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******We should make a Kòb village in Clymene then :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 07:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*******Surely one of the Governors who voted in favour should take the refugees into their State? :o [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 07:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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********No, one of the Governors (or all of them) who does not want them in should have them in their state, so they learn the beauty of living together with another culture and what it means to support each other :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*********Maybe they should go to Oceana to teach the Oceana to stop being separatists and love their fellows. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 08:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**********Maybe we should give them a łátoskì on the City Archipelago :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:33, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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***********That's not a bad idea, recolonise the Archipelago, they're will be plenty of colonists for the matter. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 08:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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************ :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 09:04, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*************After refugees have been accepted, we can consider further action, including distribution to other friendly nations. I will also contact the UN to request their assistance in establishing a refugee camp. The priority is to remove those whose lives are at risk as soon as possible. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**************You still have no plan for how to get them to said camp. Your ignorance is painful. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
====Abstain====
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====Abstention====
*{{Abstain}} 3 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:03, February 12, 2012 (UTC) (Me, PCP, LCP) (I'm now seeing the benefit of abstain, it means not bad, but needs more or isn't 100%, i think this law dose something but really not much. I still like departments over ministries.)
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*{{Abstention}} I'm gonna have to go neutral here. We have our own issues to deal with, as has been pointed out, and an unlimited number of refugees could cause a strain on our resources. That said, we should not turn our backs on refugees. It is too much for Lovia alone to have to take in all these refugees, and it makes more sence to have multiple nations, perhaps even an IWO-wide plan to divide refugees among several nations such as Prasia, Brunant, Insel, Juliana etc. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Abstain}} (4 votes) No ministries. In case I support it I will repropose it with the term department [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 16:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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**I welcome the support for action on this issue, but would urge UL to support the proposal. This is an extremely urgent situation and we need to evacuate refugees as soon as possible. I strongly agree that we should coordinate with the IWO and hope Mr. Abrahams, with his extensive links abroad, can assist with this. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 20:08, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*:I don't support this. ^points s better. With this inactive people will be elecgted even faster [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 16:12, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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***Mr. Abrahams has little to no links abroad, sadly (common misconception though). You'd have to talk to the relevant persons abroad. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 21:55, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
*:Pierlot you also need to put how many of your congressmen you want to vote Abstain for this, right now it's only 1 vote abstain for you [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 16:13, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*:Formerly, it was zero. There was no legal requirement, as it was deleted in the 2011 State Reform. I'm adding it back. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:33, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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5 more votes required. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
Can we get this over with and approve it already?? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:41, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
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I propose immediate military intervention to halt the genocide. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
{{accepted}}, which is good. (mocking Semyon :P) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 00:32, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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We do not have an army, however. Many members of this government also adhere to a pacifist philosophy. --[[Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky]] 19:58, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
<nowiki>:O</nowiki> --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:25, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
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Military intervention would require assembling a [[Multinational Task Force]] as was done the first time around. And of course if we were to get an army, it'd be some time just to pass the necessary legislation, and a while more to put it into operation. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:03, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
==008. Settlement Recognition Act==
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== 008. Lovia Recycles Act ==
#To organize all existing settlements, as defined in the Settlement Act, the National Settlement Order (NSO) is created.
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#Recycling in Lovia is mandated by the Federal Government, and both implemented and managed by Lovia's states.
#The duties of the National Settlement Order are:
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#Lovia will employ a common collection system for different types of recycling via a number of bins. These include:
##To list all existing settlements in Lovia.
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##a green bin, for food waste going for composting
###This includes all settlements, such as cities, towns, villages and hamlets.
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##a red bin, for plastics, glass and metal
###Recognized neighborhoods will be listed together with their respective settlement.
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##a blue bin, for paper and cardboard
##To list the population and state of each settlement.
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##States may add other bins for further recycling including batteries, electronics, hazardous materials and other items not recyclable within the current three bins.
#All settlements recognized by Congress should be written in the Order.
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#The collection of recyclable materials for the red, green, blue and other potential bins shall be done as for garbage collection.
##To recognize a settlement, the settlement must be approved by a normal majority in Congress.
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##States are free to determine dates for collection, as well as the frequency, so long as it is done no less than twice per month.
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#All states will also set up and operate at least one designated collection point for recycling or disposing of items not recyclable via home collection, operating alongside curbside collection.
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##These collection points may be used to dispose or recycle batteries, electrical and electronic items, hazardous items, construction material, raw materials and large or uncommon items which cannot be properly collected at the curbside.
   
In addition it will be added to the Public Law book when it passes.
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Please do vote (pro). [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
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*{{Pro}} 14 Votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:38, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:09, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 14:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. The Minister of Environment is pleased with this effort. :) [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 11 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:41, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 6 votes, though I'm not certain it's a priority. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:26, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 4 votes. --[[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 16:37, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes, agree with Semyon. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 4 votes. --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 16:54, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 20:52, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 5 votes. (follow the leader, I guess :P) — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 16:56, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Miroslav]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Znalic]] 22:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC) (I don't see how it isn't a priority to some extent)
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 18:11, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes --[[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 11:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*<s>{{contra}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:44, February 12, 2012 (UTC) I think this is quite pointless. We already have lists, such as the main page, or [[hamlet]], [[village]], [[town]], etc. I believe this would just have the same fate as the Congressional Journal: unnecessary complexity. You can just look in other places. Simplify, simplify.</s>
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*<s>{{contra}} 10 votes. Did you not revise this at all?? Among other things, who decides how many "collections points" a state has, and how many are used to dispose/recycle batteries (and how is this done), etc? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:12, May 20, 2015 (UTC)</s>
**Not really, the pages we list the hamlets and stuff aren't officical, which i could just add anything. By you saying this would get out of hand, leads me & should everyone else, to believe your not in favor of the NCO, which is just a different version of this. Think about it. It's quite simple and helps everyone. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 15:46, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*It has been revised and edited (by Semyon as well). The state is free to determine the number, usage and operation of collection points, as long as it is within reason. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 15:20, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
***Of course, you couldn't just add anything to the NSO either, right? Your argument is invalid, the NSO could get changed the same way the front page could be. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:29, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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**You better add that to the bill. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:24, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
***No it says it needs a 51% to change, so yeah proper parlimentary procedure. But just for the record we don't need to re-approve the places like NC or HU they're already approved. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 16:43, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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***Stop worrying about details, you don't seem to care about them in the voting section above this one. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 18:46, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
****Right, we have already approved them in recognitions of the existing localities. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:53, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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****{{unamused}} <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
*<s>{{contra}} 5 votes - I have to agree with Time on this one — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 16:39, February 12, 2012 (UTC)</s>
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====Abstention====
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{{Accepted}} with at least 56% of all possible votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:54, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
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==012. Tax Rates==
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Income Tax:
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*Tax Exclusion of L$30,000
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*First Rate of 20% (30,000 to 60,000)
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*Second Rate of 30% (60,000 to 150,000)
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*Third Rate of 40% (150,000 to 400,000)
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*Fourth Rate of 50% (400,000 to 1,000,000)
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*Fifth Rate of 60% (1,000,000 plus)
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Property Tax:
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*Tax Exclusion of 60 square meters for property
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*Property Rate of 50 cents a square meter
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*Tax Exclusion of 40,000 square meters for land
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*Land Rate of 5 cents a square meter
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*Protected Rate of 1 cent a meter ((what is this?))
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Imported Sales Tax:
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*10% IST Rate
   
====Abstain====
 
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{{Accepted}} Over a 50% majority!!! I will now add it to the Public law book. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 16:46, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
::You're not speaker. --{{User:Jeffwang16/sig}} 16:54, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Doesn't matter (unstroke). <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:04, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Then I will make a act that abolishes the speaker [[User:Pierlot|Pierlot McCrooke]] 17:27, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::That doesn't help Lovia. It's roleplay. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:36, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
==012. [[Lovian National Sevens Team]] Recognition==
 
By a simple 50% majority we shall now recognize the LNST with this amendment to the Sports Act:
 
*The [[Lovian National Sevens Team]] is the fully recognized national Rugby Sevens team of Lovia.
 
 
===Voting===
 
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*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Pro}} 14 Votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 13:49, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 5 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:13, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:50, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:20, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes - [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 18:18, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 1 Vote [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Miroslav]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Znalic]] 00:26, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 18:32, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 5 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:35, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:30, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 1 vote '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 13:22, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 11 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC) though, perhaps it should be at the bottom, not the middle, like the involvement act.
 
*{{pro}} 8 votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 00:19, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes, I prefer fairer lower rates that do not attack the rich, especially no tax rates above 50%. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:25, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
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*{{abstain}} 1 vote [[Marc Thomassen]] 20:14, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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{{declined}} - moot with the passing of Hoffmann's proposal. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:33, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
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{{accepted}} with a 53% majority. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:31, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
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==013. Alternate Tax Rates==
   
==013. [[Lovian National Soccer Team]] (Lovian National Football Team)==
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'''Income Tax:'''
I would like congress to finally allow this team to become official. We can decide on the name later, if not we'll just be trying to haggle out a name and nothing will be achieved (it's been over a year trying to get the team recognized). [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:47, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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:Tax Exclusion of L$21,000
:I suggest we use association football, btw. It's neutral, and more formal (both soccer and football are short forms of it). Also, Horton, why don't you vote yourself? :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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:First Rate of 20% (21,000 to 52,000)
::On wikipedia most teams are styled "national football team", except for the US (where it's soccer). Football sounds better to me, but we can decide on the name later. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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:Second Rate of 30% (52,000 to 144,000)
:::Good point. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:09, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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:Third Rate of 40% (144,000 to 626,000)
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:Fourth Rate of 50% (626,000 plus)
   
===Voting===
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'''Property Tax:'''
{{Voting}}
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:Tax Exclusion of 60 Square Metres for Property
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:Property Rate of 50 Cents a Metre
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:Tax Exclusion of 40,000 Square Metres for Land
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:Land Rate of 5 Cents a Metre
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:Protected Rate of 1 Cent a Metre
   
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'''Imported Sales Tax:'''
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:10% IST Rate
   
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It'd raise L$2,643,796,000 Which should be more than enough for the various projects the States and Nation need to enact. It would not certainly be punitive to the richest but would ask them to lend the country a helping hand in this time of need (86% of Income Tax would come from those with over L$100,000 in earnings). The Property taxes allow small farmers and homeowners to be free of tax while requiring large property owning corporations and business people to contribute. The Imported Sales Tax would help keep Lovian industry protected during this fragile time.
   
*{{pro}} --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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===Voting===
*{{pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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{{voting}}
*{{pro}} 11 Votes, though, how will this be implemented if we haven't decided a name? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:10, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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: I'll just add the page to the main namespace as "Football Team", and then we can have a discussionin the oub to work out a definite name. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:36, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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====Pro====
*{{pro}} 5 votes - [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 12:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:24, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 3 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:32, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:32, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 13:32, March 1, 2012 (UTC) per discussion below: we will call football football and handegg handegg
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 10:15, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 8 Votes - [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 17:01, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 4 votes --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 16:03, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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* {{pro}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 17:02, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:20, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 3 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:31, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 6 votes '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 13:22, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
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*{{contra}} 10 votes - Too much tax on poor and not enough on rich. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:27, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::The only reason you want tax on the rich is because you hate them with a passion. This tax proposal raises 86% of funds from those with over L$100,000 income and nothing from the poorest 50%. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:45, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::They're hardly any different... <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Again, the only reason they are hardly any different is because you have copied my proposal and hiked up taxes on the rich. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:52, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{contra}} 2 votes. 20 is very high and you can start with 10%, Kunarian. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
   
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===Comments===
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An alternate to Time's proposal which is anti-anyone who earns a large amount of money. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:24, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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====Abstain====
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They're so close though... <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:29, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:The only reason they are close is because yours is essentially a copy of my proposal in the First Chamber with taxes hiked up on the rich. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:41, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::Irrelevant. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:43, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Not irrelevant, you don't even under stand the taxes you are raising, as made clear by the non-understanding of the Protected Rate on land tax. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:44, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Not understanding property tax is irrelevant to understanding income tax. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::If you want to go back to income tax, and talk about how you think having punitive taxes on the rich will help Lovia then feel free. For now I'm not replying so that other people can actually get in edgewise on this. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 14:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::I may have to vote pro on this, though I really would have liked for the lowest tax bracket only paying 10%. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 12:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::The lowest tax bracket is 0% though. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:24, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::I was talking about the lowest tax-paying bracket. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:29, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::I'm all for lower taxes, especially on the lower rates. Just so you know, we'd lose about 124,000,000 in funds. If you could get the people who voted pro here to support lowering the first rate to 10% then we could certainly do it. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:05, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::I raised the start of the first tax bracket for 21k to 30k, but apparently because adding an extra 10% tax above a million is punitive to the rich, no one's voting pro. {{unamused}} <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:23, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::No you raised taxes a lot more than that. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 18:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::::Except I didn't? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 20:02, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
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Is the property tax per month or per year? --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:09, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
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:They're all per year (except IST), I think. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
   
*<s>{{abstention}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC) we can't, unless we have decided that it will be "(Association) Football"</s>
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{{accepted}} --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:31, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
: I plan on using "football team" (see the above discussion with Semyon). Calling it a "National Associaltion Footbal Team" it too long and it just doesn't sound right. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:36, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I don't recommend it. Many of us are actual football fans, and personally, I can't stand when soccer is referred to as football. What if someone later on, someone wanted to establish a football organization? — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:31, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Because logic dictates that calling American football "football" is stupid. The ball is not even a sphere, and it's mostly a hand game. A game that's all about feet is much more deserving of the name "football", as it was originally called. Anyone up for handegg? {{D}} <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 16:41, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I'm swayed by Horton's logic that every national football team on Wikipedia is known as 'national football team' apart from the American one, where 'football' means something else. Now, as American rules is not played in Lovia at all, there seems little point in using the American version. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:30, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Indeed, so real football is called "football" and American football "handegg"? :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:38, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::In Lovia? That's what I'm recommending. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 11:59, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::American Football isn't really played here, so it would be ok to refer to it as a "football team". [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:28, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::::Speaking of football, the US national team beat Italy for the first time yesterday, 1-0. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:52, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstention}} 2 votes — [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:32, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
{{accepted}}, with a 55%+ majority. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:06, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
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==014. Vouchers Repeal==
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This repeals vouchers, adds a Qualified Teacher Status, and makes some other minor changes. For CCPL voters, the religious education provision in the Secondary Education Act has been restored. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:43, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
   
==016. Weights and Measures Act==
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===Primary Education Act===
#The primary and official system of measurement used in Lovia is the International System of Units, which may be referred to as the metric system.
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*# Primary education is the educating of children in a school or privately, by qualified teachers, in order to provide them with the apt knowledge and skills to go to secondary education.
##All information provided by the government shall, where relevant, use SI units.
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*# Primary education is provided in primary or elementary schools, unless the child is taught privately.
###Where convenient, SI units may be prefixed with the appropriate SI prefix.
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*## Primary schools can be operated privately, that is by an individual or an organization, or publicly, that is by a neighborhood, hamlet, town, city, state or by the federal state.
###The sole exception is that degrees Celsius shall be used for the measurement of temperature, rather than degrees Kelvin.
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*## Primary schools have to appoint teachers that are qualified to teach the subjects they are asked to teach.
##The secondary system is the imperial system as used in the United States of America.
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*### All primary school teachers must have obtained a single Lovian Certificate of Education Level 2 or above.
###Information provided by the government should, if possible, provide the imperial equivalent of any SI units used.
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*### All primary school teachers must pass a set of examinations, consisting of an oral and written component, created and managed by the [[Ministry of Education]].
##Any purveyor of goods bears responsibility for providing information in the metric system associated with the goods being traded.
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*### All primary school teachers must have obtained Qualified Teacher Status, which can be gained through completing an approved teacher training course, created and managed by the Ministry of Education.
###The level of precision of measurement shall be left to the discretion of the purveyor, as long as it is not so precise as to hinder the purchaser, nor so imprecise as to deceive.
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*## Primary schools can turn down pupils only in special cases, these being the inability to provide education to a pupil with a particular problem, the inability to properly provide education for a pupil due to a lack of resources or if a pupil has proven to be unable to behave according to previous schools' regulations. In no other cases, pupils shall be denied access without consultation with the Ministry of Education.
###Where possible and legible, the imperial equivalent of the metric units should also be provided on the goods being traded.
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*# Primary schools provide general and basic education to a child. All subjects taught must be Lovian Certificates of Education and may not be Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education.
#Mathematical punctuation:
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*## These subjects should be taught at least three hours per week, during the six years of primary education:
##The period is used as a decimal mark to indicate the radix point.
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*##* English (level 1)
##The comma may optionally be used to separate digits into groups of three.
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*##* Mathematics (level 1)
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*##* Arts and Crafts (level 1)
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*## These subjects should be taught at least two hours per week, during the six years of primary education:
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*##* Physical Education (level 1)
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*##* Social Education (level 1)
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*##* The school must also choose a level 1 language subject to provide other than English that must be taught at least two hours a week, from a list which the State Government will provide.
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*## These subjects should be taught at least one hour per week, during the six years of primary education:
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*##* History (level 1)
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*##* Geography (level 1)
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*##* Science (level 1)
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*##* Computing (level 1)
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*## Primary schools may also provide more languages than the two mandatory subjects to pupils. The specific additional languages a pupil is taught however will be selected by the pupil themselves from the list of additional languages the school provides beyond the two mandatory language subjects.
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*## Primary schools are free to choose to provide more classes of any of these subjects, or to provide other level 1 subjects considered valuable, in order to provide a minimum of twenty-two hours of class, every week of the schoolyear. Primary schools may provide more classes beyond the twenty-two hour minimum but none beyond the maximum of thirty hours of class, every week of the schoolyear.
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*## There shall be no doctrinal classes in primary schools.
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*### In a course called 'Religions of the world', children may be taught about religions. If the school wishes to teach this subject, all major religions should be brought to attention, as well as a non-religious attitude.
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*### Primary schools and their teachers may not try to convince children of a certain religious or political point of view, nor can they make any pupil exercise a religious act, unless the pupil and/or the parents agree with taking doctrinal classes.
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*# These rules apply for the arrangement of the timetable:
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*## A break of at least 10 minutes is compulsory between every two hours; more often is allowed.
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*## There shall be no classes on Sunday.
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*## There shall be no classes between 7 PM and 7 AM.
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*## There must be a lunch break every day, of at least an hour, between noon and 2 PM.
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*# Private education, by a qualified teacher, can be provided. In this case, the same rules apply.
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*## Private primary schools must follow all non-financial regulations provided in this law. They may not charge more than $11,000 for tuition.
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*# Every child residing in Lovia has to receive six years of primary education, beginning in the schoolyear during which the child will reach the age of 6 years.
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*## Only if a qualified psychologist and the pupil's teacher find it appropriate for the pupil to skip a schoolyear and continue education with older pupils, and if the parents agree on this, the pupil may skip a schoolyear.
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*## Every pupil has to receive primary education until the schoolyear during which the pupil will reach the age of 11, except in the case mentioned above.
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*# In case a primary school does not provide the kind of education described in this article, the Minister of Education or the [[Royal Educational Aims Council]] can decide to shut down the school until the service provided does qualify. In the meantime, the Ministry of Education must provide education to the pupils of that school, by allowing them instant pro-tempore access to another school.
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*## The Royal Educational Aims Council is a council under the Ministry of Education, consisting of three educational specialists who decide on the secondary education curriculum, and who can close a school (of any level) if it does not qualify with the requirements.
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*### The following three persons are members of the council: the Minister of Education, the Prime Minister, and the Minister of Labour as the pupils' and students' welfare watchdog.
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*### The Rector of Blackburn University is added to the council as its fourth member only when the council is looking into a matter directly concerned with the higher educational system.
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*# The Ministry of Education or States are allowed to create legislation concerning special needs education, and education in another language (special education).
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*## The same rules apply to special education as to regular institutions.
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*## Regular education must always remain available to pupils.
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*### All settlements with more than 5,000 inhabitants must have at least one regular primary school.
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*### A state must always have at least one regular primary school.
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*# All public primary schools within Lovia are publicly funded by the Ministry of Education.
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*## No child or their family may pay to use the services of a public primary school.
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*## Currently, a primary school will receive $11,000 for every student regularly attending the primary school.
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*## If a primary school believes it requires more funding, it may apply for it to the Ministry of Education.
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*### If the school disagrees with the ministry's decision, it may appeal it to a court.
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*## A primary school must be approved by qualified reviewers from the Ministry of Education every three years in order to receive funding.
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*## If an organization other than the Ministry of Education seeks to create schools that aim to receive public funding, they must be approved by the Ministry.
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*# Primary schools must register certain details in a primary school register.
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*## A primary school must register:
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*##* Their name.
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*##* The address of the school.
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*##* The number of pupils they are currently teaching a primary education to.
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*##* The number of teachers they are currently employing to teach primary education.
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*##* The date of registration.
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*## These registers are managed on a state by state basis by the relevant state government.
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*### Further details may be requested by the state government.
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*## The details must be renewed every half-year since the date of registration.
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*### If they are not renewed then the school shall be given a weeks grace period to fill in the details along with a notification from the state government, if it fails to renew details after the grace period then it is no longer considered able to provide education to students and must be shut down until it renews the details. In the meanwhile the Ministry of Education must provide education to the students of that school.
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*## Only primary schools that are registered in the primary school register may be considered primary schools by law.
   
This sets up the weights and measurement system used in Lovia. It will be in the... hmm... I suppose Public Law Book. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:12, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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===Secondary Education Act===
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*# Secondary education is the educating of adolescents in a school or privately, by qualified teachers, in order to provide them with the apt knowledge and skills to lead a life in a modern society and in order to be able to continue studying in university or take on an apprenticeship.
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*## After having completed the schoolyear of their 16th birthday a child may choose to not continue ordinary school and instead pursue an apprenticeship, should they secure an apprenticeship then they may continue their education under their employer as an apprentice, if they at any point lose their apprenticeship they must at the soonest possible date rejoin a school.
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*# Secondary education is provided in high schools or secondary schools, unless the adolescent is taught privately.
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*## Secondary schools can be operated privately, that is by an individual or an organization, or publicly, that is by a neighborhood, hamlet, town, city, state or by the federal state.
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*## Secondary schools have to appoint teachers that are qualified to teach the subjects they are asked to teach.
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*### All secondary school teachers must have obtained a single Lovian Certificate of Education Level 4 or above or a Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education Level 4 or above.
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*### All secondary school teachers must pass a set of examinations in their specialty, consisting of an oral and written component, created and managed by the [[Ministry of Education]].
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*### All secondary school teachers must have obtained Qualified Teacher Status, which can be gained through completing an approved teacher training course, created and managed by the Ministry of Education.
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*## Secondary schools can turn down pupils only in special cases, these being the inability to provide education to a pupil with a particular problem, the inability to properly provide education for a pupil due to a lack of resources or if a pupil has proven to be unable to behave according to previous schools' regulations. In no other cases, pupils shall be denied access without consultation with the Ministry of Education.
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*# Secondary schools provide two tiers of education, one to a child from the year in which they turn 12 until the year in which they turn 16, and another to a child from the year in which they turn 17 until the year in which they turn 18.
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*## Secondary schools provide a general education to a child up until the age of 16. All subjects taught must be Lovian Certificates of Education and may not be Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education.
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*### These subjects should be taught at least four hours per week, during the first four years of secondary education:
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*###* Mathematics (level 2)
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*### These subjects should be taught at least two hours per week, during the first four years of secondary education:
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*###* English (level 2)
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*###* Literature (level 2)
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*###* Art (level 2)
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*###* Physical Education (level 2)
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*###* Social Education (level 2)
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*###* Technology (level 2)
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*###* Science (level 2)
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*###* The school must also choose a level 2 language subject to provide other than English that must be taught at least two hours a week, from a list which the State Government will provide.
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*### These subjects should be taught at least one hour per week, during the first four years of secondary education:
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*###* History (level 2)
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*###* Geography (level 2)
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*###* Computing (level 2)
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*### Secondary schools may also provide more languages than the two mandatory subjects to pupils between the ages of 12 and 16. The specific additional languages a pupil is taught however will be selected by the pupil themselves from the list of additional languages the school provides beyond the two mandatory language subjects.
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*### Secondary schools are free to choose to provide more classes of any of these subjects, or to provide other level 2 subjects considered valuable, in order to provide a minimum of thirty hours of class, every week of the schoolyear. Secondary schools may provide more classes beyond the thirty hour minimum but none beyond the maximum of forty hours of class, every week of the schoolyear.
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*## Secondary schools provide an advanced education to a child of the age of 17 and 18. All subjects taught must be Lovian Certificates of Education and may not be Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education.
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*### These subjects should be taught at least five hours per week, during the last two years of secondary education:
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*###* English (level 3)
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*###* Mathematics (level 3)
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*###* The school must also choose a level 3 language subject to provide other than English that must be taught at least five hours a week, from a list which the State Government will provide.
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*### Secondary schools must provide a wide selection of level 3 subjects for pupils to choose from to study. Pupils may choose to study a minimum of three extra subjects to study to bring their total time within school to 30 hours of class, every week of the schoolyear. Pupils may choose to study two more subjects beyond the thirty hour minimum, bringing their total time within school to 40 hours of class, every week of the schoolyear.
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*### Each additional subject a pupil chooses to study must be taught for five hours each week.
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*## Doctrinal classes may be provided in secondary schools by the school itself, if wished.
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*### There shall be no more than one hour of doctrinal class per week.
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*### The content of doctrinal classes, in which the teacher teaches a particular religious or political world view, can be chosen by the school and teacher.
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*#### There shall be no doctrinal classes about extremist views; that is: no far-right, far-left, extremist religious, violent or extreme nationalist views can be taught. If needed, the Royal Educational Aims Council and the Minister of Education can dismiss a doctrinal course.
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*### A student is allowed not to follow a doctrinal course provided by a secondary school, if he or she does not want to take this course. In order to skip these classes, the student has to notify the school direction and stay on school property during the courses.
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*### A student may not be forced to attend a religious school against their will.
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*### A course called 'Religions of the world', or any course similar to it, is not considered a doctrinal course.
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*### No tests and exams shall be taken for these courses.
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*# These rules apply for the arrangement of the timetable:
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*## A break of at least 10 minutes is compulsory between every two hours; more often is allowed.
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*## There shall be no classes on Sunday.
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*## There shall be no classes between 7 PM and 7 AM.
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*## There must be a lunch break every day, of at least an hour, between noon and 2 PM.
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*# Private education, by a qualified teacher, can be provided. In this case, the same rules apply.
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*## Private secondary schools must follow all non-financial regulations provided in this law. They may not charge more than $15,000 for tuition.
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*# Every child residing in Lovia has to receive at least four years of secondary education, beginning in the schoolyear after which the adolescent has finished his primary education successfully. Additionally should a child not be employed as an apprentice, they must continue to receive education until they have completed the educational year in which they are 18.
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*## Only if a qualified psychologist and the student's teacher find it appropriate for the student to skip a schoolyear and continue education with older students, and if the parents agree on this, the student may skip a schoolyear.
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*# Secondary schools that do not provide the kind of education described in this article, the Minister of Education or the Royal Educational Aims Council can decide to shut down the school until the service provided do qualify. In the meanwhile the Ministry of Education must provide education to the students of that school.
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*# The Ministry of Education and States are allowed to create legislation concerning special needs education, religious education, and education in another language (special education).
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*## The same rules apply to special education as to regular institutions.
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*## Regular education must always remain available to pupils.
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*### All settlements with more than 10,000 inhabitants must have at least one regular secondary school.
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*### A state must always have at least one regular secondary school.
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*# All public secondary schools within Lovia are publicly funded by the Ministry of Education.
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*## No child or their family may pay to use the services of a public secondary school.
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*## Currently, a secondary school will receive $15,000 for every student regularly attending the secondary school.
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*## If a secondary school believes it requires more funding, it may apply for it to the Ministry of Education.
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*### If the school disagrees with the ministry's decision, it may appeal it to a court.
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*## A secondary school must be approved by qualified reviewers from the Ministry of Education every three years in order to receive funding.
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*## If an organization other than the Ministry of Education seeks to create schools that aim to receive public funding, they must be approved by the Ministry.
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*# Secondary schools must register certain details in a secondary school register.
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*## A secondary school must register:
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*##* Their name.
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*##* The address of the school.
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*##* The number of pupils they are currently teaching a secondary education to.
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*##* The number of teachers they are currently employing to teach secondary education.
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*##* The date of registration.
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*## These registers are managed on a state by state basis by the relevant state government.
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*### Further details may be requested by the state government.
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*## The details must be renewed every half-year since the date of registration.
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*### If they are not renewed then the school shall be given a weeks grace period to fill in the details along with a notification from the state government, if it fails to renew details after the grace period then it is no longer considered able to provide education to students and must be shut down until it renews the details. In the meanwhile the Ministry of Education must provide education to the students of that school.
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*## Only secondary schools that are registered in the secondary school register may be considered secondary schools by law.
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
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*{{pro}} 11 Votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:23, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 6 votes (on condition we change the word accuracy to precision.) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:49, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 6 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 00:26, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
**Done. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:12, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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* <s>'''Weak''' {{pro}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 10:34, May 30, 2015 (UTC) I do not see a direct need for changing the voucher system, but the teacher qualification thing is a good thing.</s>
*{{pro}} 9 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:11, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 14:59, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 11:00, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 01:00, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 16 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 04:41, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} 12 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 21:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{Contra}} 2 votes; Lovia should use the imperial system for better accomodation with the US. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 20:11, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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* '''Strong''' {{Contra}} 7 votes [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 10:52, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
*{{Contra}} 2 votes (same reason as horton stated) [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 21:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
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* {{contra}} 15 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 10:54, May 30, 2015 (UTC) Kunar's right: ''No child or their family may pay to use the services of a <u>public</u> secondary school.''
:*But this accommodates for both, and slightly more citizens prefer the metric system. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:09, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{contra}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 14:02, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*{{abstention}} 1 vote. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 04:42, April 15, 2012 (UTC) (RTP)
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*{{Abstention}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 01:02, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
 
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{{Accepted}} By a 59% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:28, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
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Especially with topaz's abstention, this bill will not pass. :o <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 01:23, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
==017. Election of Supreme Court Judges==
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{{Declined}} Due to the failure of this bill, I will resign as Education Minister. --[[William Krosby]] 20:52, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
I hereby open the election for Supreme Court Judges. Each of the 100 congressman or congresswoman has one vote, which should be cast for their preferred candidate, using the {{pro}} template (in case it wasn't clear :P). The election will close at 0300 hours Lovian time on the 5th of May, when the three candidates with the most votes will become judges. Good luck everyone! :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===Lars Washington (User:TimeMaster)===
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===Comments===
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Need to read it first. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 06:15, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 8 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 4 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 12:49, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 4 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 3 votes [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===Rico Wasabi (User:The Master's Voice)===
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This section contradicts itself:
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 8 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 11:31, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 7 votes [[User:The Master&#39;s Voice|The glorious First Consul of Rome]] 13:52, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 4 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===George Matthews (User:Wabba the I)===
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6. Every child residing in Lovia has to receive six years of primary education, beginning in the schoolyear during which the child will reach the age of 6 years. ''That is, they start when they're five.''
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#Only if a qualified psychologist and the pupil's teacher find it appropriate for the pupil to skip a schoolyear and continue education with older pupils, and if the parents agree on this, the pupil may skip a schoolyear.
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#Every pupil has to receive primary education until the schoolyear during which the pupil will reach the age of 12, except in the case mentioned above. ''They end when they're twelve, i.e. seven years after they start and not six.''
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Also, you say that "there shall be no classes between 7 PM and 7 AM". Don't you think 7 PM is too late for school to end, and that 7 AM is too early for it to start? :P --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 13:57, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Antonia Tilly (User:Horton11)===
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@contradiction: I see your point, though there is ambiguity whether the 'schoolyear during which the pupil will reach the age of 12' is part of the primary education or not. @classes: personally yes, I think the limits are designed to be liberal though. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:23, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 7 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===John Paul Hrádske (User:Ooswesthoesbes)===
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Interesting. I have changed it to be non-contradictory (I hope). <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:11, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 2 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:03, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 1 vote. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{Pro}} - 10 votes [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 12:49, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} - 1 vote [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 2012 (UTC
 
*{{pro}} - 8 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:40, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
===Comments===
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That's indeed better :P --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 18:28, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
First past the post is a very bad voting system. Could we try single transferable vote for each of our congresspersons? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I agree with the first sentence. However, I think that in practice if someone's preferred candidate is losing they will transfer their votes to their second-preferred candidate instead. That will have the same effect as STV, but without the confusion of having 100 separate voting preferences. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:02, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Let's see. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 10:28, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
:Well, I meant make separate preferential ballots of blocs of congresspersons, not a separate for each one. For example, my bloc of 11 would have 3 separate ballots, 8 sharing one ballot, 2 another, and 1 having their own. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:29, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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So it is true, the segregation begins. This government is nothing but a sham. Under the voucher system any child may go to any school regardless of wealth and it was choice not necessity that governed the decision of which school they should go to. under the new system, rich and poor will become segregated. Those with money shall be able to afford to choose which school they go to while poor students will be forced to go to designated schools.
   
::Seems like an awful lot of work to me. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:28, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Those who believe that education should be based around the need and choice of the student should not support this.
   
I'm not George Matthews! I support him but I don't vote on him! [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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I hope that Oos will change his vote and that no others will support this. CCPL particularly due to the issues this will cause for religious education in smaller and less wealthy communities. As I doubt the new state controlled school system that all poorer children will be forced to attend will allow religious education. Under the voucher system the government would have allowed them their choice but under this system if they are not wealthy enough they have no choice.
   
I know you're not Matthews, but I thought you wanted to use him as your character to become judge. :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:39, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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I strongly oppose this ideological and negative attack based on nothing but hatred of private institutions. If people want qualified teachers I shall make a proposal below that they can support. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 10:49, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
Anyway, how do we know when to stop? When 100% of MOTCs has voted (that's not going to happen)? 67%? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Not at all. ''Vouchers'' are the system that produce segregation, for reasons I am not interested in writing out again once more. Schools will include many choices to support the student, and the special education is included in this law. Competition has no place in education. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 14:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
Oh, I see. There's a time limit. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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On chat, Oos has said he wants money to go directly to pupils. This is essentially the case, where schools get funding based on how many students attend. Public schools can be managed by an organization other than the MoE, they just have to be inspected by the MoE. If a school elects to not receive government money, they can. But then students have to pay tuition. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:13, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
:What now? The '''thee candidates'''? I though we had agreed on '''FOUR''' Supreme Court Judges? {{smile}} [[User:The Master&#39;s Voice|The glorious First Consul of Rome]] 15:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
I think that was the original proposal, not the one that eventually was accepted. That one also suggested random selection rather than voting. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:22, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Nope, I'm pretty sure it was four in this case awell. Four, because for one, it is an even number. [[User:The Master&#39;s Voice|The glorious First Consul of Rome]] 16:34, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::It definitely says three in the law, as well as in the proposal in the Second Chamber. In any case, you're doing rather well. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:41, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
That was the old proposal that was not approved, Magnus. 4 randomly selected jury members plus one judge. A different proposal was accepted. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:53, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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== 015. Government reshuffle ==
   
I hereby announce the election of three new Judges: '''Lars Washington''', '''Rico Wasabi''' and '''John Paul Hrádske'''. Congratulations! :) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 10:12, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
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This needs to be passed. I propose the following:
: :) --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 08:19, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*PM: Oos Wes Ilava (filling vacancy)
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*Speaker: Neil Hardy (filling vacancy)
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*Minister of Labour: Lukas Hoffmann (filling vacancy)
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*Minister of Commerce: Charles Jones (filling vacancy)
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*Minister of Minorities: Bart Koenen (filling vacancy)
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*Minister of Transportation: Jonas Hrádske, could be replaced with another of Oos's chars (replacing Wrexley)
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*Minister of Family, Youth and Elderly: Mark Eastwood (replacing Sarah Lambert)
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*Minister of Culture: Dimitri Kalinnikov (replacing Aina Sarria)
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*Minister of Justice: Aina Sarria (moved from Culture to replace Al-Asmari)
   
== 018. Census ==
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Notes:
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*Sarria has been given Justice, which she has previously shown interest in, to compensate for the loss of Culture.
As it's not included in the law I don't see any reason to postpone this anymore. I propose to increase the population to about 220.000 by retaking a census [[Wikination:Census|old-style]] and multiplying by 10. Any future discussion about how to control population growth in the future can be held separately. If this vote is accepted, I can immediately start fixing everything.
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*The new entrants have 8 out of 20 ministries, which reflects the balance in congress reasonably well. They also have the PM position.
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*Potential problem: Happy does not have a ministry (edit: if you don't count Speaker, of course). However, he explicitly stated a month ago he did not want one and did not even give himself one in his own gov proposal. He did express interest in Tourism and Sport, but Topaz is doing something with that, so I oppose firing him. I hope this proposal won't get held up for that.
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*If additional problems appear, we can hold another more minor reshuffle later.
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
 
{{voting}}
 
{{voting}}
 
 
====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*<s>{{pro}} 17 Votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)</s>
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*{{pro}} 2 votes ([[Peter Blanch]] and [[Marc Thomassen]]) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:03, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 8 Votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 10:03, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:06, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Wabba The I|Wabba The I]] 10:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC) when Kunarian edit all town pages!
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*{{pro}} 15 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 13:12, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes... Sounds good --'''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 13:57, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 14:02, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 4 votes. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 17:49, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 20:21, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{contra}} 11 votes - I would like to see a new style that isn't based on residences. We should individually decide what population each hamlet, village, and neighborhood should have, add those up for each town and city, and then combine the cities and add some rural population to get the state. Then add the states to get the nation. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:42, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{contra}} 3 votes (CPL.nm, Milivoy and MLPE) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:03, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*:You're right. Shall I simply make a proposal of f.e. Oceana in population incl. rural districts? --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 12:48, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{contra}} 2 votes (CPL.nm) <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:55, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*::I've made a proposal for [[User:Ooswesthoesbes/Oshenna populatsia|Oceana]]. It would be very welcome if the other governors could also bring up figures for their states, so we can combine the data and form our first census with rural districts. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 07:49, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
*:::Done it. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 18:45, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
*::::Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. I'll do it by tomorrow. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:25, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
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====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*I'm honestly a bit confused by this.--— [[Christopher Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 00:20, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{abstain}} 1 vote ([[AMWM]]) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:03, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{abstain}} 8 votes (SLP) - retroactively get rid of Minorities. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:55, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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**I agree that Culture already covers Minorities, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a ministry to focus on the large and specific 'sub-issue' of Minorities. By that logic, we should abolish all ministries, because they all fall within the remit of Family, Youth and the Elderly. :o --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 15:09, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
== 019. Membership of the IWO ==
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{{Accepted}} By a 53% majority. It has been an honor to serve as speaker. --[[Isabella Munson]] 20:30, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
Members of the Congress, please vote to authorise the signing of the Declaration for the Establishment of the International Wiki Organisation ([[Forum:Second_Chamber/IWO_Declaration|in a side page]]). I apologise in advance for the awful wikicode and Limburgish. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:57, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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===Comments===
:The Limburgish is now sorted; feel free, but not obliged, to fix the wikicode, anyone. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 14:03, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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I would appreciate a ministry but it seems this is going to pass without so I don't have any real say on this matter. Is there absolutely nothing available? I saw I had Labour yesterday but that's changed. [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 15:31, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:Possibly. What are your preferences? --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 15:47, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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::I hope you will vote {{pro}}, though, because I think that getting the new government in is a priority. I'll certainly support a small reshuffle later to get you a position. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 15:59, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I'd appreciate Culture, Defence, Education, Foreign Affairs or Tourism and Sport. Most of the ones are from users that have more than one. [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 16:34, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Voting===
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I think I'll vote pro but I hope that my vote will be in the knowledge that I hope for a reshuffle after the State Elections in which Hoffmann can acquire a Ministry more suited to him and Happy can acquire a Ministry of his own. [[Lukas Hoffmann|Hoffmann]] [[File:LogoCNP2wt.png|20px|link=Conservative Nationalist Party]] <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 17:24, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
{{voting}}
 
   
====Pro====
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:I saw you were quite interested in Speaker (you appointed Borja), if you'd like that role I'd be happy to exchange it for Culture. I appreciate your support. [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 17:29, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} - 6 votes. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 13:59, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 4 votes — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:55, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 11 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 16:46, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 5 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 18:48, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{pro}} 10 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
====Contra====
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(edc) Noted; I also support another reshuffle by the state elections at the very latest, ideally much sooner. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:30, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} 1 vote — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{contra}} 3 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] 18:49, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{contra}} 1 vote <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
====Abstain====
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::I think it should be as soon as possible, it's already June. [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 17:33, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
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{{accepted}} by a 53% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
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== 016. Research Funding Act ==
====Comments====
 
I will bring this to the Mäöreser Landjszaal as well. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 14:10, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Please do. :D --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 17:56, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Just to remind you: the Mäöreser law system is efficient, but slow :P I hope to get the results within a week :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 08:42, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Finally, Mäöres has voted pro with 4 pro and 2 not yet voted :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 08:02, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
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I am proposing a slightly modified form of the text currently in the First Chamber, having taken into account all issues raised. I'd also like to note my regret at the lack of even brief comment from many MOTCs, while thanking those who did take the time. --[[Peter Blanch]] 22:45, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
== 020. Abortion Regulation Act ==
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===Text===
(Social Law Book, Federal Law)
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#This act provides for government funding for scientific research in Lovia. Funding will be regulated by a central body, the [[Lovian Research Council]], which is funded by the federal government.
# Abortus Provocatus (referred to hereafter as abortion), defined as a willingly induced termination of pregnancy before fetal viability, is considered legal only when:
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##The federal government will commit 3% of annual tax revenue to providing the Council with funds.
## Carried out by a qualified physician, registered in a hospital recognized by the [[Ministry of Health]].
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##The Council will provide records of expenditure to the Minister of Finance, who will audit them in consultation with the Minister of Science, to ensure the funding is wisely allocated.
## Permission has been given by the executing physician and at least one other, non-involved physician.
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###Ministers must carry out the audit in an entirely neutral way, to ensure the objectivity of all research is not threatened.
## Executed no sooner than two weeks after the first consultation.
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##If there are concerns regarding allocations of funding, Congress should vote on whether a recipient should lose funding.
## Executed within the first twelve weeks of the pregnancy, except in circumstances considered in section 2.
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###Prior to voting, independent advisors should be summoned to Congress to provide expert opinions to MOTCs on the issue.
## One or more of the following:
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#The Council is composed of between 5 and 20 members.
### The mother has been impregnated against her will.
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##The Council is headed by a chief executive officer (CEO) appointed by the Minister of Science.
### The risk to the physical health of the mother is considered to be one hundred times greater than the average risk of childbirth.
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###The CEO should be a globally respected researcher in their field, with multiple publications in leading journals.
### The fetus is considered to be inviable before the twenty-fifth week of the pregnancy.
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##A Chief Financial Officer (CFO) is also appointed by the Minister of Science.
## In every case, the mother has to give her approval to carry out the abortion.
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##Between 5 and 20 other members should be appointed by the Minister and the CEO, in consultation with other council members. At least one member should be appointed with expertise in each of the following areas:
# Abortion after the first twelve weeks of the pregnancy is considered legal only when:
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###biology, biochemistry and biotechnology
## Carried out by a qualified physician, registered in a hospital recognized by the [[Ministry of Health]].
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###engineering, physical sciences and mathematics
## Permission has been given by the executing physician and at least two other, non-involved physicians.
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###medical research
## Executed no sooner than seven days after the first consultation.
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###social sciences, arts and humanities
## One or more of the following:
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###environmental sciences
### The risk to the physical health of the mother is considered to be one hundred times greater than the usual risk of childbirth.
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#Both government-owned and privately-owned organizations may apply to the Council for funding.
### The fetus is considered to be inviable before the twenty-fifth week of the pregnancy.
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##Applications should be sent to the CEO by the 31st of December of each year, in order to receive funding at the start of the financial year in April.
## In every case, the mother has to give her approval to carry out the abortion.
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###Applications should specify the amount of funding required, the qualifications, experience and achievements of the applicants, and several supporting references.
# Before carrying out an abortion, the executing physician must always take the following measures:
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##Funding to privately-owned organizations will be in the form of a purchase of a share in the organization and its profits. The share will be considered to be owned by the government, but administered by the Council.
## To notify the patient of all health risks involved with the abortion of pregnancy.
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##The following criteria should be considered before deciding to provide a grant:
## To remind the parent of several other possibilities for undesired children.
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###The quality of the research carried out in the past by the organization, in particular if previously funded by the Council
### Any alternatives to abortion must be legal and comply with the Adoption and Orphanage Act.
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###The extent to which the research is unique, i.e. will provide significant new results compared to any other research funded by the Council or ongoing elsewhere in the world.
## To ensure themselves of the patient's desire to carry out the abortion.
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###The ethical implications of the research.
# If an abortion is carried out illegally, the following consequences may follow:
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###The likelihood that the research will:
## The executing physician will have their medical license revoked.
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####improve the lives of Lovian citizens and humanity in general.
## The executing physician will be liable to prosecution for murder and held responsible for the costs of the operation.
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####provide a boost to the Lovian economy.
## The mother will be fined $10,000.
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####generate revenue for federal or state governments.
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####Research that is scientifically interesting, but does not meet some or all above criteria, may still be worthy of funding, in particular if it has failed to obtain non-Council funding for that reason.
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###The amount of funding already obtained by the organization.
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##Funding applications should be assessed by the Council members with the greatest relevant expertise, and the CFO. They will then recommend to the Council if the application should be accepted, and if so, how much funding the project should receive.
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##The CFO will draw up a budget based on the recommendations of the Council members during the first three months of the year. The budget should be approved by the Council by majority voting; if not, it should be modified and reproposed. The budget should go into effect on April 1st.
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##Research in all areas described in 2.3. should be funded. The Council should ensure breadth in the type of projects funded.
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#The council should devote part of its budget to funding 30 Council Scholarships for Lovian students to undertake Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) degrees.
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##Each scholarship provides funding for three years, for both research costs and a living stipend.
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##The Ph.D. will be accredited by Blackburn University. Students will be supervised by one or more senior researchers funded by the Council
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##Organizations may also offer their own Ph.D. scholarships, using either their own or Council funding. In the latter case, this must be agreed with the Council.
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#The Council also has the following responsibilities:
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##Providing advice to researchers.
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##Organizing a conference every three months where researchers can present and discuss their research, and share their expertise with one another.
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##Monitoring the spending of allocated grants.
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##Arranging for researchers to share facilities, if appropriate.
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
{{voting}}
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{{Voting}}
 
 
====Pro====
 
====Pro====
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 10:03, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 1 vote. --[[Peter Blanch]] 22:45, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
*<strike>{{Pro}} 1 vote - [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC) (PCP)</strike>
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 22:49, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 5 votes - [[user:Wabba The I|Wabba The I (Jhon Lewis - CCPL)]] 20:10 July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:00, June 6, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 9 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:21, July 24, 2012 (UTC) (LDP)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 14:37, June 10, 2015 (UTC) On the condition that the page [[Lovian Research Council]] is indeed created afterwards.
*{{pro}} 9 votes [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 12:43, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
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**Thank you for the reminder. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 10:23, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 6 votes --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:35, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 16:46, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 1 vote. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 09:36, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:21, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 3 votes [[File:Flag of the Xanian Empire.svg|30px|border|link=http://xania-encyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Xania_Encyclopedia_Wiki|The Xania Encyclopedia Wiki]] [[User:Vivaporius|Vivaporius]]: <small>"[[User talk:Vivaporius|I don't need a slogan]]"</small> 21:45, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 4 votes. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 14:45, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes --'''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 15:02, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 15:11, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
====Contra====
 
====Contra====
*{{contra}} 13 votes - [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 18:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC) (GPL,Labour,ARP,Walden) - Strike the clause 3.3 and make 3.2 more understandable
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*{{contra}} 15 votes --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 16:57, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
*{{contra}} 2 votes <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:21, July 24, 2012 (UTC) (LAP)
 
   
 
====Abstain====
 
====Abstain====
*{{abstention}} 2 votes Until there is more clarification in 3.2 (or expansion). [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:10, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
*{{abstention}} 1 vote (PCP) Thomas Bale comment: "As a liberal conservative I understand women's rights, but needs clarification" [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 21:13, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
*...
 
   
 
====Comments====
 
====Comments====
We should put more detail into the law and perhaps explain what options may be considered "legal alternatives" to abortion. Cause under this a doctor could perfectly get her to sell her baby on the black market. Something sad, but it does happen and we should strive to minimize the number of loopholes in our law.[[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:46, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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{{accepted}} By a 64% majority - [[File:Flag of Lovia.png|20px]] [[User:Happy65|<font color=#101590>Neil Hardy</font>]] 15:12, June 12, 2015 (UTC)<br><br>
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Why you guys support this diabolic law? :'( --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:08, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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:Why do you oppose it? Why don't you support it so research to complaining stones can be appropriately funded? :'( --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 14:48, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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::Because the Bible says that science is bad :'( --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 14:53, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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:::1. If so, why did early/mediaeval Christians practice maths and astronomy? Why not have Easter etc. on the same date every year so they didn't need it? 2. Quote the passage that says science is bad :P 3. Are all sciences bad according to you? :o --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 16:20, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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::::The Bible seems fairly positive about 'knowledge' and 'wisdom', which are the closest concepts they had in ancient times to modern science. :o --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:21, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::You guys patronizing the Bible? :'( --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 09:40, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::You patronizing the Bible by saying untrue things about it? :'( --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 10:23, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::I think you just sadified God though :'( --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 10:26, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::Qrÿf likes his people to know the truth though, therefore science does not sadify him :P --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 11:16, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::Nuclear science* :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 11:20, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::: :P --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 11:57, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::Nekrif nelikit nuklejari resjersia. :'( --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 15:40, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::::Neqrÿf neságo netakavíhki. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 18:17, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::Nedumum ke neklihef nenilhuk ke Nekrif nese netakaviki. :o --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 19:03, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::Nú neklýxem: nenovlétra'úrdubörjùnast neságo nekompléta :P --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 20:04, June 13, 2015 (UTC) <small>Yes, "not-new-letter-word-beginning" is a rather takavíhki way of saying "alliteration". Normally it'd be "àlliteràtsia" :P</small>
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:::::::::::::::This is a takaviki conversation for the Lovian Congress. :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 20:13, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::It seems to be have been invaded by the Burenian one. :o [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 21:34, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::The Burenian government thinks this strategy works better than last year's :P --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 09:16, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
Not the first thing i thought of, but i mostly voted contra because of the vaugeness...hopefully more clear language will get people to vote contra .[[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 22:31, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
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== 017. Eternal Leader Oos Wes Ilava ==
   
Well, we would have to create a separate law about adoption and orphanage. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:28, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
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Proposal:
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*Abolish Constitution, Federal Law, State Laws and any other law.
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*Give all power to Oos Wes Ilava, thus making his position as Eternal Leader ''de jure'' as well as ''de facto''.
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*Create a new constitution with the following text: 'All power and authority in the Kingdom of Lovia inheres to Eternal Leader Oos Wes Ilava.'
   
: It is vague, so we need to specify which alternatives are legal and what the punishment is for engaging in illegal alternatives. We should also start an awareness campaign on good alternatives, cuase in the end having lots of abortions isn't good. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:29, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
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===Voting===
::As I said above: these alternatives should not be placed in an abortion law. If this law is accepted, we can start working on an Adoption and Orphanage Act. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 09:58, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
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{{voting}}
:::See now honestly I'm seeing this is now partisanly driven and not trying to further this law. I just think then this furthers the right for a women to choose and then i think women are smart enough to know what they do with ther bodies. [[User:Crystalbeastdeck09|Marcus/Michael]] [[User_Talk:Crystalbeastdeck09|Villanova]] 17:49, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
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====Pro====
::::Well, it's about time we're getting laws passed, but it seems nobody's willing to cooperate. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 17:17, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 1 vote. --[[Marc Thomassen]] 12:19, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
::::::We should create an Adoption/orphanage act (we should also include foster care) and pass it along with the abortion act. Right now my only issue is with sec. 3.2: To remind the parent of several other possibilities for undesired children. We should either list the possibilities in subsections to 3.2 or or have a single subsection saying "Any alternatives to abortion must be legal and comply with section x.x of the Adoption and Orphanage act. I will not vote contra because it is overall good but it should be sent back to the 1st chamber to fix this. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:38, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 14 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 12:47, June 14, 2015 (UTC) :o (CCPL - RTP - OSB)
:::::::That's not necessary. We could fix it right now if you want to. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 16:46, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::::Sure. If we can fix it here it would be great. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 17:47, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I believe that the new clauses had an "Or" added, while older classes didn't get an "Or". I think that should be fixed. Although, personally, I would prefer to not have those "Or"s, and instead simply have an "any of the following" in the earlier clauses. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 23:19, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
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====Contra====
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*{{contra}} 4 votes. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 12:37, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{contra}} 1 vote. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 12:48, June 14, 2015 (UTC) (LF)
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*{{contra}} 7 votes, for some reason, part of this doesn't quite make me feel comfortable... <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 12:52, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
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*:You attractive :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 13:01, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 13:46, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{Contra}} 7 votes. :P [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 03:49, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
   
==021. 2012 Federal Police Reform==
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====Abstain====
===Preface===
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*{{abstain}} 10 votes, cuz he ain't socialist enough. :'( <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 12:56, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
The present situation:
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*:Cuz a socialist never gets things done like 'cle Oos do :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 13:01, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
*The Federal Police has an unnecessary number of sub-divisions.
 
*These sub-divisions are not divided in any feasible way, and their descriptions are very broad.
 
*Some sub-divisions are improperly classified as "units", while others are considered branches and others aren't labeled at all.
 
*Individual traffic units have been localized to serve in individual states, and operate much like local police without much cooperation between other local units, which can be troublesome.
 
*There are supposedly local bureaus for individual states, yet they aren't documented anywhere on the site.
 
*It is unknown how these local bureaus would relate to the sub-divisions.
 
*There is no clearly-defined rank structure.
 
*There is no clearly-defined structure in general.
 
 
===Reform plan===
 
These items are being proposed:
 
*The Federal Police will become known as the Lovian Federal Police to make it more distinct and to make documentation easier.
 
*The current, "local bureaus" will be re-organized as precincts. They will eliminate the need for individual local police agencies. They will be:
 
**Clymene Federal Police Precinct (CFPP)
 
**Kings Federal Police Precinct (SKFPP)
 
**North Sylvania Federal Police Precinct (NSFPP)
 
**Noble City Bay Area Federal Police Precinct (NCBAFPP or NCFPP)
 
**Oceana Federal Police Precinct (OFPP)
 
**Seven Federal Police Precinct (SFPP)
 
*Sub-divisions will be completely overhauled and re-structured as individual bureaus. They will be:
 
**Lovian Federal Security Bureau
 
***The primary and most visible of the bureaus, its purpose is typically just to patrol the precinct and to respond to local threats.
 
**Lovian Federal Investigations Bureau
 
***Its purpose is to provide a less direct response to crime in cases where some detective work is called for.
 
**Lovian Federal Traffic Security Bureau
 
***Its domain is the highways of Lovia, where its handles everything from enforcing the rules of the engaging in high-speed pursuits.
 
**Lovian Federal Coastal Security Bureau
 
***On an island nation such as Lovia, security is just as important out at sea as it is on land. Its job is to prevent illegal activity in the space between the states.
 
***The [[Coastal Police]] will become one with this bureau.
 
**Lovian Federal Counter-terrorism Bureau
 
***The name is pretty self-explanatory here. Its job is to counter large-scale movements of organized crime.
 
**Lovian Royal Guard
 
***A small unit dedicated to protecting the royal family and providing them with their own security. It has been known to extend its protection towards the Prime Minister and congresspeople also. The Royal Guard is a special case because it lead by a specially-appointed Colonel and is stationed in the Noble City Bay Area Federal Police Precinct.
 
***The Royal Guard sub-division already exists, so this will be the only aspect of the Federal Police that won't need to be altered much.
 
*Each precinct will contain roughly a [[Wikipedia:Platoon|platoon]] of members from each bureau (except for the Royal Guard bureau in all precincts other than the NCBAFPP).
 
*The Specialized Forces unit will be dissolved entirely but thats okay because they never did anything anyway.
 
*The rank structure that will be used can be found [[User:Pikapi/Federal Police Officer Ranks|here]].
 
**Anyone above the student rank of Cadet classifies as an officer.
 
***Those who hold the title of Corporal or Corporal First Class are commonly referred to as "Officers" if they serve in any bureau other than Federal Investigations. The proper Federal Investigations equivalent is "Detective" or "Investigator".
 
*Those who hold the title of Cadet are not allowed to serve until they become full officers.
 
*Corporals are standard infantry, and typically serve as unit members unified under a higher-ranking team leader.
 
**As long as there is no higher-ranking officer available, Corporal First Classes are put in charge of lesser ranking officers in their unit.
 
*Lieutenants typically lead a [[Wikipedia:Fireteam|fireteam]] or [[Wikipedia:Squad|squad]] composed of lesser-ranking officers.
 
*Commanders typically lead a squad composed of lesser-ranking officers.
 
*Each precinct will be lead by a Colonel.
 
**Colonels can command anything up-to a [[Wikipedia:Platoon|platoon]] of lesser-ranking officers at once.
 
*Each Bureau will be lead by a Chief.
 
**A Deputy Chief will serve as an advisor to their bureau's Chief.
 
*The Chief of the Federal Police is the ultimate leader of the Federal Police.
 
**The Chief of the Federal Police does not have a deputy. All of the individual bureaus' Chiefs will form a council and serve as advisors to the Chief of the Federal Police.
 
   
===Terms===
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== 018. IWO Membership for Juliana ==
*[[Rosana de Oliveira-Torres]] will retain her position as Chief of the Federal Police.
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This is a vote on whether Juliana ([http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/ link]) should be allowed to join the IWO.
*[[Christopher Costello]], who is currently in command of the [[Coastal Police]], will inherit the position of Chief of the Federal Coastal Security Bureau.
 
*[[Lars Washington]], who is currently in command of the FP's investigations unit, will inherit the position of Chief of the Federal Investigations Bureau.
 
*The "Bureau Chiefs" from the current system will become Colonels of their respective precincts.
 
*We will need a list of candidates for Chiefs to lead the unclaimed bureaus and Colonels to lead the unclaimed precincts.
 
*Pikapi and anyone who is willing to help gets to overhaul and update the Federal Police article with this new information.
 
*Each individual precinct and bureau will get an article of its own.
 
*DimiTalen might need to create us some logos and seals.
 
   
 
===Voting===
 
===Voting===
 
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====Pro====
 
====Pro====
#{{pro}} 5 votes — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 16:51, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 03:02, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
#{{pro}} 11 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:56, August 21, 2012 (UTC) (CCPL)
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*{{pro}} 5 votes. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]]
#{{pro}} 11 votes. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:23, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
#{{pro}} 6 votes - though I'm not sure it needs to be voted through. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 10:16, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 08:35, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
:: it doesn't need to and on top of it, all of the stuff within it can only be done through the commissioner who is appointed by the Ministry of Defense not Congress. Besides Costello's Reform is being put through. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 13:04, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. I don't know why we didn't do this earlier to be honest, the current system of admitting new IWO members is inefficient and takaviki... we need IWO reform --'''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 09:29, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
#{{pro}} 4 votes ---''It's all here, [[User:Therider|black]] and [[User talk:Therider|white]], clear as [[User blog:Therider|crystal]]. 21:39, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Pro}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 12:51, June 25, 2015 (UTC) Under the condition that the image on the main page is updated to reflect the current situation that the nation is no longer located on actual existing land.
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*{{Pro}} 4 votes. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 13:04, June 25, 2015 (UTC) I agree with Frijoles and Bart.
   
 
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#{{contra}} 6 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:57, August 21, 2012 (UTC) (LMP, PNO, RMP, RTP)
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#{{contra}} 8 Votes - this is a matter for the police commissioner also, the main problem with this is that you claim there are far too many subdivisions yet create a system which does not minimize them. I would also prefer if my position wasn't undermined through this act and that things were left to the ministries like they are supposed to be. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 03:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I never felt that there were to many divisions, just that they weren't organized well. Also, you had nearly a week to get back to me with your opinion like you said you would. I also didn't realize that the Federal Police fell under the juridistiction of the Minister Defense, however, I am not undermining you by suggesting this, you had no such plan to reform the force in the first place. If you want to work together in the future, I would be happy to collaborate with you. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 03:25, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I agree that the amount of ranks is unnecessary, but otherwise I like the reform. And perhaps we can just consider this a referendum on support for the reform from Congress. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:42, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Mmmm, that we shall do, besides, it would seem that active reform and support are both present. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 14:11, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
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#<s>{{abstain}} I don't really understand why this is needed, and it should be in First Chamber first. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 18:11, August 21, 2012 (UTC)</s>
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{{Accepted}} By a 55% majority. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:35, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
#:I already had this in the First Chamber for a while but for some reason I got very little feedback, and I can see many reasons why these changes are necessary. As it is now, the force is organized in a sloppy and unrealistic manner. This reform will really give the police force the organization it deserves. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 20:41, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::Fair enough. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 02:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#<s>{{abstain}} Agree with TM and this would require a change in law; the text you wrote, isn't approvable of being used in the law. -- [[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 18:21, August 21, 2012 (UTC)</s>
 
   
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#:I don't think that would be necessary. As it is, the Federal Police law is very vague and doesn't have any legal documentation on the way the force is organized and/or structured. Clearly, this change can be made within the force and doesn't necessarily require any added legal documentation. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 20:41, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::You're right. I forgot the Local Police Law was repealed. Still, I don't believe it needs to be voted here. The Federal Police Commissioner has full right to do these changes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:49, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::Well yes, but our commissioner was Granero and he appears to be on an indefinite leave. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 20:52, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::::Then the Minister of Denfence should appoint a new commissioner. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 20:54, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::::I don't follow. Even the Minister of Defense would have had to pass such a reform through congress if he was the one to propose it. I feel that the Minister of Defense has just as much of a right to propose a reform as I have, only I thought this up, and I would like to see these changes put into place. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 03:30, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#::::::By law only the Minister of Defense can appoint the Commissioner, not Congress, and therefore by law only the Commissioner can proceed to fulfil said reforms. Law is law, and these changes shall be put in place sooner rather than later. After all Congress is awfully slow atm. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 03:35, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::::::Its good to have your support then. Now that its been proposed, should we at least wait until it is passed by congress? When would you like to see these changes implemented? — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 15:58, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
#:::::::Well simpler things like rank have already been started to be put in, and along with that a new factor of pay has too. Could you implement the precincts, as in get their pages written, the idea seems to be well developed there in your head. I think things shouldn't be delayed while we have momentum. By the way it's Dimitri that's officially working with Costello to bring in the reforms. Hoffmanns off writing tax stuffs. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 16:29, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== 022. Census Act ==
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== 019. High-speed track from Connection Bridge to Newhaven ==
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This vote is all about the creation of a new high-speed railroad track from the [[Connection Bridge]] to [[Newhaven]] to cut travel time between NC en Newhaven and make our railroad system efficient. This 37 km track will cost us L$3.340.000.000, which we can easily pay for by 25% National Government, 25% railway companies, 25% private investments, and 25% Kings and Sylvania state governments and environmental organizations. This means we get to spend about $L830.000.000 ourselves.
#The census is defined as a yearly survey of every household in the Kingdom of Lovia.
 
##Censuses are carried out by a Demographic Center in each state, under the supervision of the Governor.
 
###Congress must send federal inspectors to each Demographic Center to ensure that data collection is being done correctly and to a high standard, and maintaining high statistical reliability.
 
###If there is concern about the census, Congress may choose by a simple majority to order any of all of the Centers to repeat the census.
 
###In extreme cases, Congress may nominate another individual to take over the supervisory role of the Governor.
 
##The data collected must include the following:
 
###Total population by district, neighborhood, hamlet, village, town and city.
 
###Population by ethnic background.
 
###Population by mother language.
 
###Population by religion.
 
##Individual Centers may also choose to collect some or all of the following data:
 
###Population by size of household.
 
###Population by age.
 
###Population by marital status.
 
###Population by country of birth.
 
###Data concerning the possessions of the population, e.g. car or house ownership.
 
###Population by sector of employment.
 
###Percentage of population unemployed or in education.
 
###Population by status of dwelling e.g. rent, full ownership, ownership with mortgage etc.
 
##The census should be carried out in the June of every year.
 
###In the case that the census is delayed in any state for more than a month without prior notice being given by the Governor or Congress, any citizen may take over the supervisory role of the Governor, or request Congress to nominate an individual for this role.
 
###Censuses may also be carried out at other times at the request of Congress, or if a Governor wishes to gather more up-to-date information on their individual state.
 
 
Anyone there? :P --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:33, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
 
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*{{pro}} (6 votes) --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 16:09, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 15 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 08:23, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 17 votes. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 12:52, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 4 votes. --[[User:4kant,6|Qytokant]]<sup>[[User talk:4kant,6|FRÅGOR???]]</sup> 14:34, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 11 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|30px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:30, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes. [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 17:25, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
*{{pro}} 8 votes [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 15:09, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 10 votes, but we should go back to the old system of making money come out of thin air, since we don't have an established economy yet and it would make sense for things to be retroactive, etc. So in this case I'm just going to pretend all the cost figures mean nothing and instead we just create the high-speed track without worrying about cost. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 17:59, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
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::No because then people like you can promise the world and not worry about the realities of delivering it. <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 18:12, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Yes because ''we are not reality'' and we really have minimal framework to do this cost cuz we still haven't even agreed on the scale of our nation, as shown by Oos below. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:23, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{pro}} 7 votes - Under the understanding that the first wave of spending will be the federal government, the second wave will be the state governments, the third will be the railway companies and the last will be the investors. This way the federal government which already has incomes sorted can get things started, the state governments of Sylvania and Kings can sort out their incomes. Once half the work is done railway companies will have no problem putting their money where their mouth is and private investors will follow shortly. <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 18:12, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
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*<strike>{{pro}} 6 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:47, July 1, 2015 (UTC)</strike>
   
 
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*{{abstain}} 11 Votes - I just don't like how things like religion and mother language are required but age is not. I'm afraid I can't vote for this right now. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:21, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{abstention}} 5 votes. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 14:47, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*{{abstain}} 5 votes - Yes, age does seem like an odd thing not to require for statistical reasons. Its like the only goal of the census is to track the populous by heritage and that kind of thing. — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 00:43, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
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**{{abstention}} 7 votes. I'm abstaining until we solve these financial questions. I'm also abstaining cause I find it rather takaviki for a country the size of Cyprus to have a high speed railway-- '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 17:45, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*:It's purely a reason of ease. Making a realistic age table is a job that requires studying and a lot of effort. Effort most governors are probably not going to do anyway. We don't want shitty statistics because it's mandatory to have them. It's better to not have in that case. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 03:19, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
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**:In my defence: we either have high-speed rails or none, as the distances between our big settlements are enormous. Not having this track high-speed means that a journey from NC to Newhaven takes several hours. Something which discourages train use and makes everyone go my car or plane causing not only huge environmental impact, but also a definitive loss in our public transportation system. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 18:40, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*::Then why are mother language, ethnicity, and religion required? <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 11:08, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
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**:I don't buy into that logic of all or none; our current train system does just fine and distances between our cities are not that huge. And look at the United States; they are much larger, much more populous and they don't have high-speed rail. Granted that's the tire companies at work but we can work out fine with standard trains. What puts me off is the cost though. I'm not a railroad connaisseur, but the costs are astronomically high for a small country like Lovia, especially for just 37 kilometers. Do we even have the money? Would we need to cut funding to other more pressing matters? I'm starting to reconsider my pro votes actually. We could actually fund a fighter jet program with this type of money. Do we have a breakdown as to where the money is going to and how we got to 3.3 billion? Using that figure and the 37 km of length, it roughly comes out to 90.27 million dollars per kilometer or 90270.27 dollars for a single meter. The price of a brand new Range Rover HSE (in the US) for just a single meter of railway doesn't seem right. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 18:57, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*:::No-one has shown any interest in collecting any of the optional data, though. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 12:00, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
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:::Oos, I agree with your reasoning about how a high speed track can help the environment, but I'm still not sure the costs or distances involved justify building the railway. Like Horton said, I would rather such a large sum of money went to more urgent matters. And with the distances involved, a normal speed rail service is more than adequate. Perhaps we should instead focus on upgrading and repairing existing transport links before considering projects such as this :o '''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 19:06, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*::::Again, then why collect mother language, ethnicity, and religion? From a realistic stance, I don't find those to be more important than say, age, or gender. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:02, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
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:::@Frijoles: The alternatives would be: either close off the railway from TV to Hurket-on-Kings as it cannot be more profitable than even a bus system.. or create a non-high speed track from Connection Bridge to Newhaven. That'd cost us about L$500.000.000 :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:09, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*:::::I think it's very much a personal matter on what you think is most important however I would say that age is something that we should definitely include as mandatory, as it ties in so much with education, employment, pensions and so many other things that are hugely important to both the culture and governance of Lovia, but I believe we need this passed so I support it in this form but for ease of it being passed as well as ease for the future I suggest we include age. [[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]] ([[User talk:Kunarian|talk]]) 22:23, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
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:::@Horton: true, high-speed rails require way more precision than a normal railway :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:11, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*::::::I'm not offended that race and religion are required, I just think that age is a pretty major factor and that the government should put some effort into tracking it on a national scale. I feel the same way about a few of the other fields too, but I don't necessarily feel much need to push for that. [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 01:38, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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::::50 million is much much more reasonable. We're not like Europe with an interconnected network of trains (where it makes sense for high speed) or Japan (with a large population regularly using trains and an obsessive compulsion for being on time) who desperately needs them. A standard rail line seems perfectly fine and the costs something we can bear. [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:14, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*:::::::Keep in mind: if we create age diagrams, we will hardly be able to do population boost in the future. Also: take [[Amish Kinley]]: it's mainly younger people living there. I'm concerned that these particularities will not be represented in age figures if we create them too hastily. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:26, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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:::::I have to stress that a normal railway is still taking a lot of time, but we could decide to upgrade it step by step or partially make it highspeed. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:16, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*::::::::Anyway, we first need historical populations before we can go on with age figures. So: if somebody has a few months spare time: I'd say go ahead :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:27, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::I don't know what to say here :o I just fish we would stop caring about money so much since we never have done so before. We should only start once we know for sure (not Kunarian's decree) how our economy is and what the scale of the nation is. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 22:23, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*:::::::::Historical populations (histpops? :P) are going to be a real faff to do. --[[User:Semyon|Semyon]] 11:30, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 7 votes. I agree with Horton and Frijoles's points. [[User:77topaz|77topaz]] ([[User talk:77topaz|talk]]) 22:37, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
*::::::::::Indeed, from 1870 to 2010 we grew about 200,000 inhabitants, which means originally it went fast (lots of immigrations), then slow, followed by decrease (famines of the 50's), in Oceana closures of the mines (60's-70's) and migration to other nations such as Mäöres (80's) and then a sudden boom by immigration and natural birth up until now. Good luck :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]][[User talk:Ooswesthoesbes|<sup>sjrief-mich</sup>]] 11:34, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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*{{Abstention}} 5 votes. This is an expensive waste of the taxpayers money. People need some more things that are more urgent. [[User:Traspes|Traspes]] - [http://wikijuliana.wikia.com/wiki/Dianna_Bartol Dianna Bartol] [[File:LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK.png|19px]] 23:17, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
==023. Second Amendment - Speech Reform==
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===Comments===
I can't believe that this wasn't present earlier, but after shifting through our [[Constitution]], I noticed an unethical and rather embarrassing lack of "the right to freedom of speech". The small but necessary change that I am proposing is as follows:
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We do reach an important point here where money from thin air is battling construction time. Now we choose to no longer take money from thin air for realisticness purposes, we reach the problem of construction time. Usually, it takes several years to construct a railway like this. Are we going to follow our newly-set course of realisticness and wait a few years before actually implemented this railway in our system? [[User:Bart K|Bart K]] ([[User talk:Bart K|talk]]) 11:29, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:we've done this before with the expansion of the railway lines in Oceana and Sylvania. It took a few years to complete them and this will be no different. I certainly think that dates of completion should be added to this proposal. <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 12:36, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
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::Have to say that the railway to Charleston was never updated and as a consequence it does not exist :o --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 17:21, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
:'''Article 2''', Section 1.1 - Of freedom of thought, '''''speech,''''' meaning and religion.
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@TM: the scale of our nation has already been agreed upon. --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 12:44, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
   
If you don't approve of this reform, that would suggest that you are also opposed to freedom of speech, one of the most basic civil liberties.
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I recall something to that effect, but I think under that scale it wouldn't talk "several hours" to go from NC to NH, so there is still disagreement obviously. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 13:36, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
[[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 21:11, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
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:Only from you time. I very clearly know the size of Lovia and I again don't think we should be retroactively changing things to suit your desires. <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 16:51, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::I think you're a bitch :o (serious: with less than 10,000 km^2 area it makes no sense for it to take "several hours" to go from NC to NH (seems like it should be more like two), so again, there is still disagreement obviously). <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:04, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::I'm also not disputing the total area, it just seems that people don't understand well how long/wide each island is. @"Only from you time": you fucking bitch. Even if it was only from me, that is only people no one else is bothering to discuss this. @I very clearly know: Bitch. Do you? You may understand the total area but you clearly don't know the time it takes to travel to places. @retroactively changing things: Not really proposing that, except for updating things from the 20,000 population era and before when we settled the total area of the island. Also, nothing wrong with retroactivity, you bitch. @suit your desires: you fucking bitch! Ugh! You're being so fucking rude and unnecessarily hostile and it's working at angering me! <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 21:10, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Time is angry, HIS ARGUMENT IS INSTANTLY INVALIDATED! But more seriously. One of the reasons I argued against you on school funding was because of distance issues. Also retro-activity is not needed to change things 99% of the time but rather to add in missing details. When you talk about retroactively changing things that are already established, 99% of the time I would say you shouldn't. <small>[[User:Kunarian|Kunarian]]</small>'''[[User talk:Kunarian|TALK]]''' 21:31, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Voting===
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Under that scale we get to [[User:Ooswesthoesbes/Train]]: it's 2 hours and 26-16=2 hours and 10 minutes :o That's several hours, I'd say :P --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 14:07, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:I'd say that's a couple of hours :o --'''[[User:Frijoles333|Frijoles333]]''' [[User talk:Frijoles333|TALK]] 15:03, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::You patronizing me? :'( --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 15:09, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*5 votes — [[File:Beer.png|22px|link=Christopher_Costello]] [[Christopher_Costello|<font color=#2E6FFD>Christopher Costello</font>]] <sup>([[User:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Pikapi</font>]] • [[User_talk:Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>Chat</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pikapi|<font color=#2E6FFD>What's up</font>]])</sup> 21:11, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
*11 votes - However, I think this shouldn't be voted on. Just add it. Little errors in the Constitution can be fixed without a vote. <small>—[[User:TimeMaster|TimeMaster]] ([[User talk:TimeMaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TimeMaster|contribs]])</small> 15:12, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 21:31, July 2, 2015

Seal of the Second Chamber

Seal of the Second Chamber

National Archives of the Congressional debates and votes:
1. First series
2. Second series
3. Third series
4. Fourth series
5. Fifth series
6. Sixth series
7. Seventh series
8. Eighth series
9. Ninth series
10. Tenth series
11. Eleventh series
12. Twelfth series
13. Thirteenth series
14. Fourteenth series
15. Fifteenth series
16. Sixteenth series

In Lovia, Congress is the national legislative body and the most powerful branch of government. The Second Chamber is one of the two chambers of Congress, located in the Capitol in Downtown Noble City, in which the Members of the Congress vote bills that originated in the First Chamber. Paradoxically, Lovia does not have a bicameral parliament: there is only one group of MOTCs that both debates and votes the proposals. For the current composition of Congress, see 2013 Congress.

Whereas all national citizens may propose bills in the First Chamber, only Members of the Congress may vote them in the Second Chamber. Article 6 of the Constitution states that "all Members of the Congress are expected to vote on the motion in the Second Chamber". They have three legal voting options: "pro (in favor of the motion), contra (in opposition to the motion) and abstention (the wish not to vote)." Further more, they "have two weeks’ time to cast their vote in the Second Chamber. Voting may be closed earlier if the required majority is reached. The proposer may also choose to lengthen the voting period."

A normal majority ("more than fifty percent of the valid votes") is required to pass a motion amending the Federal Law. To vote on Constitutional amendments, a special majority ("more than two thirds of the valid votes") is required to pass a amendment. The special majority requirement was lowered from three quarters to two thirds in the 2010 State Reform (Sixth Amendment). All proposals approved by Congress, by the required majority and in due time, must be implemented by the government of Lovia.


002. Hoffmann II Government Edit

Feel free to change the names as appropriate.

The above list is my proposed government. It is designed to try and represent the spread of power in the Congress between the parties and allocate Ministries to those with the most interest in said areas and to make sure everyone has something they can focus on. This government is designed to not allow a lurch to the left or right in great degrees but to focus the best policies in the places where they are most needed at the current times.

My proposed budget will be one that aims for a minor deficit, investing in the economy to help it grow, with the intention to pay the debt off next Congress. We shall ensure low taxes on the poorest and try and raise L$2-3 billion (from the current L$8 billion in the economy) to fund government expenditure. I will ask that States do not levy taxes while we rebalance and repair the States that are in most need. We will aim to devolve spending down to Ministries and States where applicable and encourage Ministers to take an active role in allocating resources.

I will personally be introducing the following bills to Congress over the coming months as part of my main aims. They are listed in no particular order.

  • Constitutional Reform Bills
    • Congressional Reform Bill - a bill to reduce the effect of inactives on Congress
    • Second State Reform Bill - a bill to rebalance power between state and federal level
  • State Investment Fund Bill - a bill to introduce controlled economic investment by States
  • Adult Education Bill - a bill to introduce supported adult education, particularly education of the unemployed
  • Trade Disputes Bill - a bill to give unions and workers powers over their labour, and to regulate disputes
  • Health Reform Bills
    • National Health Service Bill - a bill to create a national health service, replacing state models
    • Tripartite Care Bill - a bill to ensure physical, mental and social care are integrated
  • Housing Reform Bills
    • Social Rents Bill - a bill to create a requirement for state and federal governments to provide social rents to the neediest
    • Home Building Bill - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating homes
  • Defence Bills
    • Firearms Reform Bill - a bill to change and better regulate how firearms are controlled in Lovia
    • Militia Reform Bill - a bill to provide for greater ability to persecute insurgents and militia groups
  • Education Reform Bills
    • School Building Bill - a bill to create a system of support for building, repairing and renovating schools
    • Educational Board Reform Bill - a bill to create one universal educational board to provide official qualifications regulation

Everyone who is in Congress will obviously be able to partake in these debates, and we'll hopefully - as we have in the past - come to a reasonable conclusion on each debate and create many good laws and reforms. These bills that I will introduce do not obviously mean others cannot contribute other bills. I encourage people to come to Congress with issues or ideas so we may debate them and see if legislation is needed.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

ContraEdit

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 11 votes HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Abstention Abstention 7 votes. (This is better than the Hardy proposal, but not yet quite satisfactory. For example, I'd rather have Environment than Energy and Resources, and again the MoTaS thing.) 77topaz (talk) 20:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Abstention Abstention 4 votes. Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 23:16, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Abstention Abstention 8 votes. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 13:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (SLP: now supporting AMWM)

Declined This proposal is declined. Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Comments Edit

The final line up. I hope others make it clear what their final proposals are and move them to the second chamber as well. So that all Congressmembers can see what their choice really is. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 13:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

There has been a slight modification to the proposal I encourage people to vote again. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

004. Conroy I GovernmentEdit

Some minor adjustments have been made to the ministry positions. Users with more than position, feel free to change character names for spares

This is my government proposal. It is a response to calls from throughout our country for a more progressive government, and includes plans for much needed reform.

The following are the policy areas on which I wish to focus over the coming months. I seek to propose the following acts in Congress, in hope of a re-energised and vibrant Lovia.

  • State Governments Act- We seek to open a dialogue with groups from across the spectrum in order to reform how state governments work. Ultimately, our goal is for State Councils to have control over issues such as culture, language, environment and education, with the federal government taking on more responsibility for policy areas such as housing, healthcare and welfare.
  • National Healthcare Act- As mentioned above, we will legislate for a national framework of physical, mental and social healthcare, incorporating the existing state healthcare systems. We hope this will end disparity and inequality between the healthcare services of state governments.
  • Higher Education Act- We will provide further investment in our universities, and open a discussion on tuition fees, with the aim of abolishing them, or at the very least putting a cap on them. This act will also promote higher vocational education and work-based training
  • Housing Act- We will seek to resolve problems with housing across Lovia, with a system of social housing, and increased federal investment in homebuilding.

In addition, I will also seek to implement minor legislation in the following policy areas:

  • Minor amendments to Primary and Secondary Education Acts- Creation of Qualified Teacher Status (QTS) to guarantee high standards of teaching in all Lovian schools
  • Support for working families- We will introduce childcare vouchers to ensure that parents of young children are able to balance work with their family life. We will also consider a system of paid parental leave for new parents, to be shared between both parents.

This vision for a better Lovia brings a fresh perspective to the table. This vision seeks to address the causes of inequality and conflict in our country, and is a fairer deal for all.

We hope this plan for stable leadership will provide for a more prosperous, progressive Lovia that all citizens can benefit from- Frijoles333 TALK 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 11 votes HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 19:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC) (CPL.nm: Excludes CPL.nm; SLP: Inexperienced PM)
  • Contra Contra (15 votes) --OuWTB 08:55, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 7 votes (similar ideas, but of course, as you posted on mine, we both understand) Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:34, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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  • ...

Declined This proposal is declined. Withdrawn. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I've made a few minor tweaks to the final ministry line up, but the bulk of my plans remain unchanged- Frijoles333 TALK 16:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Seriously Time? You're voting against this because of the absence of the CPL.nm? They aren't represented by an active user, and never requested any positions. It seems you're looking for any excuse NOT to support me :o Frijoles333 TALK 19:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
And because of the inexperience, and because I only have one ministry (Speaker does not count). :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 19:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
You might be in a more favorable position, with more ministries, had you shown a little more support. There were others who wanted Education by the way, but I still gave it to you because I know you're interested in that issue :o Frijoles333 TALK 20:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Good thing your gov is getting voted down :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
In the grand scheme of things, I don't think you voting down my government is going to have a huge effect on the overall result :o Frijoles333 TALK 20:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
CNP, CCPL, and probably Viva are all not in support. Plus, TM001 is inactive. :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

005. Hardy I GovernmentEdit

  • PM:
    • Neil Hardy (Happy)
  • Agriculture:
    • George Wrexley (TM001)
  • Commerce:
    • Bart Koenen (Bart K)
  • Culture:
    • Arthur Sythey (Sithlent)
  • Defence:
    • Lukas Hoffmann (Kunarian)
  • Education:
    • William Krosby (Time)
  • Energy and resources:
    • Rakham Tarik Al-Asmari (Viva)
  • Environment:
    • Bart Koenen (Bart)
  • Social Affairs:
    • Katie Konroy (Frijoles)
  • Family, youth and elderly:
    • Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
  • Finance:
    • William Krosby (Time)
  • Foreign affairs:
    • Aina Sarria (Traspes)
  • Health:
    • Justin Abrahams (Horton)
  • Justice:
    • Charles Jones (4kant)
  • Labour:
    • Justin Abrahams (Horton)
  • Minorities:
    • Martijn Mans (Martijn)
  • Tourism and sport:
    • Nicholas Sheraldin (Topaz)
  • Transportation:
    • Oos Wes Ilava (Oos)
  • Science:
    • Anna-Maria Whitdonck-Malsky (Semyon)
  • Speaker of the Congress:
    • Nicolas Sheraldin (Topaz)

The proposed Hardy I Government would look to create an active and stable congress, including parties from across the spectrum. We feel it is necessary to create a National Health Service, replacing the current system, whereby not all states currently have an active health service. We look to work closely with proposed Minister of Education William Krosby, creating a national education board and providing funds to renovate poor schools. We also look to reduce the effect of inactive members of the congress by creating an edit criteria in the terms of congress members. We look to protect minority languages and culture and teach minority languages in late primary, secondary and tertiary education. We look to impose Animal protection laws, and make sure animal cruelty will be punished.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro (15 votes) --OuWTB 20:41, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro (7 votes) Happy65 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  •  (2 votes) Sithlent (talk) 21:00, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes (CCPL as PM, two T&S ministers?) TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 7 votes (Me and Hardy do have a couple of ideas in common, but I can't vote for a CCPL government) Frijoles333 TALK 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 7 votes. (See TM and Frijoles' comments. Though I have to commend this for being the only proposal with me as at least half the MoTaS. :P) 77topaz (talk) 20:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 11 votes HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:18, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Declined This proposal is declined. Moot with the passing of the AMWM government. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:59, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

006. AMWM I Government Edit

My government will pursue a socialist course. See my manifesto for more details.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro (6 votes) --Semyon 21:49, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro (10 votes) needs more positions for Semyon, though TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:51, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Frijoles333 TALK 22:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (I already pledged support for Hoffmann's proposal, but now I'm liking this new proposal. I will keep pro votes up for both for the time being)
  • Pro Pro 1 Vote Miroslav Znalic 23:18, May 6, 2015 (UTC) (For the first step towards the truly emancipatory collective!)
  • Pro Pro 5 votes Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 23:39, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes. 77topaz (talk) 01:32, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 11 votes. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 13:17, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro (3 votes) Flag of the Xanian Empire Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 14:45, May 8, 2015 (UTC) (I had a change of heart. :P)
  • Pro Pro Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:58, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra (15 votes) --OuWTB 21:50, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention (3 votes) Flag of the Xanian Empire Vivaporius: "I don't need a slogan" 20:10, May 7, 2015 (UTC) (I'd prefer to be Minister of Justice. No one wanted the position, and I feel that it is more fitting for a man of Rakham's stature.)

Accepted This proposal is accepted! By at least a 51% majority. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Four more votes needed to pass. I hope to see the CNP, Wrexley's branch of the UL, and Asmari's branch of GP supporting this in order to create the best progress Lovia has had in a long time! --William Krosby 13:20, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

The CNP shall not be backing this. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:09, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

I am sadified by that. I suppose we will be better off without anti-progress politicians, though. --William Krosby 16:13, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Once Semyon revotes, we will have 50 votes Pro. Does anyone object to waiving the two week requirement of waiting before enshrinement, due to the fact that 4 of the MOTCS who have not yet voted will far more likely than not vote Pro, making a majority against impossible? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

That's not a majority. A majority is 51. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:57, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the Constitution says that you only need a majority of valid votes after two weeks. But we have a majority now, almost. :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 18:43, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I hereby declare the Whithdonck-Malsky I Government inaugurated. This is a historic moment for progress in this country, and I congratulate all of those involved. --Isabella Munson 20:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thank the Lovian people and their congress for their support. Let those who oppress the poor, those who view women as inferior, and those who promulgate ethnic tension throughout this land shake in fear. Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 20:35, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

007. Action against Burenia Edit

Burenia has begun a devastating program of ethnic cleansing against the Kob minority. I propose that Lovia formally condemn these actions, cut all economic ties with Burenia and commit to accepting an unlimited number of Kob refugees.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 7 votes --Semyon 16:23, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 10 votes TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 15 votes --OuWTB 18:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC) Gotta act as Oos Wes Ilava here. My Burenian version disagrees though :o
    • I commend Mr. Ilava for his bravery in defying the powerful Burenian lobby which I know exerts great influence over CCPL. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 20:02, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Flag of Lovia Neil Hardy 21:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes. 77topaz (talk) 01:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra We are in the middle of our own economic crisis, many people in this country need immediate help, the government has done nothing. And now you suggest we accept an unlimited amount of refugees? This government and Congress is truly insane if this passes. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 19:09, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • But how many Kob people are there? 10,000? We can do that, especially with UN/IWO help. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 19:53, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • But there is no plan, no numbers listed above. This government has not even proposed its tax numbers so how it can hope to pay for anything is beyond me. Further for all the talk of progress this government has done little to nothing with the time it has had thus far and I can see them doing even less with the many months ahead. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • What is insane is the utter selfishness of Mr. Hoffmann and the philosophy he represents, preferring to see innocent people die than let a penny of government money be spent to prevent it. I recognise the concept may be alien to members of CNP, but this government has a moral responsibility to act. We have to power to provide succour to the oppressed, that is this government's mandate, and that is what we shall do. If the CNP prefers to lend its support to those that at this moment are gleefully bayoneting babies, let them do so. I fear those Lovians who too suffered at the hands of the Burenians last year will be unimpressed, however. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 19:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • Anna may not even take a moment to consider Lovia but she should be aware that I am not part of the CNP, this would be abundantly clear if she spent but the smallest amount of time reading the papers or watching the news. Action should be taken but to give no plan, no numbers, no nothing is beyond stupid. You talk of government money, but you have none, your government hasn't even proposed let alone passed your taxation rates. You say you have the mandate to provide succour to the oppressed, what about those in Lovia? you've had a month in government and nothing has left your lips concerning the homeless, the jobless nor those who are ill or unwell. This act is nothing more than an impotent government throwing its weight around to try and feel powerful while Lovia slips further into the mire. It would seem that Anna reveals that she cares more about a crisis abroad, proposing a solution however poor it is within days, but cares not one bit about the Lovian, who have suffered for months, not one solution at all from her. She is a hypocrite and a traitor to the people who elected her and to every other Lovian that relies, unfortunately, on this champagne socialist government. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 22:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
        • You offend me deeply. This is a humanitarian emergency. A response to a genocide cannot be delayed for petty financial matters to be resolved. Those can be done later. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 23:13, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
          • You may have skipped a large amount of the issue that I raised but there is no plan here. There is nothing, there isn't even a proposal on how to get the refugees from A to B. You are all patting yourselves on the back because you are unable to realise that without a plan you cannot do anything. Like this government has failed to do anything, you have no plan so you fail. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 23:28, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
            • I view this as a proposal to allow the executive branch to take the actions it sees fit. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 00:29, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
        • Mr. Hoffmann should at the very least respect the authority of this Chamber, if not his own dignity, before befouling it with his feculent orations. His sudden concern for the Lovians whose visages his government ground languidly beneath its foot is inexplicable; rest assured that we will shortly begin action to reverse its depredations. In response to his talk of betrayal, I need give no explanation why I continue to refer to him as a member of CNP. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
          • Anna seems to confuse herself, for years I have campaigned for the worst off in society while she screeched about parties that have bettered Lovia a hundred fold compared to your petulant antics. And you give no explanation because there is none, you are simply out of touch and full of yourself. This government will achieve nothing and will end come the elections and hopefully end your career for good. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Accept refugees? Yes. Accept all 30.000 Kòb people? For a small nation like Lovia, that's not even possible. We should somehow divide the refugees between various nations, and ideally make the Burenian government stop immediately. --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 05:47, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
      • My esteemed colleague makes the point. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 06:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
        • I think the number of Kòbtáale has already sufficiently decreased to a number we can hold though following the atomic attacks on the ^látoskì :o --OuWTB 07:03, May 20, 2015 (UTC) damn keyboard stil not installed :'(
          • Then we still need a number and a plan, even 10,000 is a great amount, that's bigger than most settlements in Lovia bar the largest towns and cities. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 07:08, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
            • We should make a Kòb village in Clymene then :o --OuWTB 07:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
              • Surely one of the Governors who voted in favour should take the refugees into their State? :o Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 07:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                • No, one of the Governors (or all of them) who does not want them in should have them in their state, so they learn the beauty of living together with another culture and what it means to support each other :o --OuWTB 08:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                  • Maybe they should go to Oceana to teach the Oceana to stop being separatists and love their fellows. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 08:17, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                    • Maybe we should give them a łátoskì on the City Archipelago :o --OuWTB 08:33, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                      • That's not a bad idea, recolonise the Archipelago, they're will be plenty of colonists for the matter. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 08:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                        •  :o --OuWTB 09:04, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                          • After refugees have been accepted, we can consider further action, including distribution to other friendly nations. I will also contact the UN to request their assistance in establishing a refugee camp. The priority is to remove those whose lives are at risk as soon as possible. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 09:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
                            • You still have no plan for how to get them to said camp. Your ignorance is painful. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:32, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

AbstentionEdit

  • Abstention Abstention I'm gonna have to go neutral here. We have our own issues to deal with, as has been pointed out, and an unlimited number of refugees could cause a strain on our resources. That said, we should not turn our backs on refugees. It is too much for Lovia alone to have to take in all these refugees, and it makes more sence to have multiple nations, perhaps even an IWO-wide plan to divide refugees among several nations such as Prasia, Brunant, Insel, Juliana etc. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 19:38, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • I welcome the support for action on this issue, but would urge UL to support the proposal. This is an extremely urgent situation and we need to evacuate refugees as soon as possible. I strongly agree that we should coordinate with the IWO and hope Mr. Abrahams, with his extensive links abroad, can assist with this. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 20:08, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • Mr. Abrahams has little to no links abroad, sadly (common misconception though). You'd have to talk to the relevant persons abroad. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 21:55, May 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • ...

5 more votes required. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 13:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I propose immediate military intervention to halt the genocide. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 16:29, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

We do not have an army, however. Many members of this government also adhere to a pacifist philosophy. --Anna Maria Whithdonck-Malsky 19:58, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Military intervention would require assembling a Multinational Task Force as was done the first time around. And of course if we were to get an army, it'd be some time just to pass the necessary legislation, and a while more to put it into operation. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:03, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

008. Lovia Recycles Act Edit

  1. Recycling in Lovia is mandated by the Federal Government, and both implemented and managed by Lovia's states.
  2. Lovia will employ a common collection system for different types of recycling via a number of bins. These include:
    1. a green bin, for food waste going for composting
    2. a red bin, for plastics, glass and metal
    3. a blue bin, for paper and cardboard
    4. States may add other bins for further recycling including batteries, electronics, hazardous materials and other items not recyclable within the current three bins.
  3. The collection of recyclable materials for the red, green, blue and other potential bins shall be done as for garbage collection.
    1. States are free to determine dates for collection, as well as the frequency, so long as it is done no less than twice per month.
  4. All states will also set up and operate at least one designated collection point for recycling or disposing of items not recyclable via home collection, operating alongside curbside collection.
    1. These collection points may be used to dispose or recycle batteries, electrical and electronic items, hazardous items, construction material, raw materials and large or uncommon items which cannot be properly collected at the curbside.

Please do vote (pro). HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 11 votes. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:44, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 15 votes --OuWTB 14:51, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes. The Minister of Environment is pleased with this effort. :) 77topaz (talk) 20:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 6 votes, though I'm not certain it's a priority. --Semyon 20:26, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 10 votes, agree with Semyon. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:38, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Flag of Lovia Neil Hardy 20:52, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 1 Vote Miroslav Znalic 22:13, May 20, 2015 (UTC) (I don't see how it isn't a priority to some extent)
  • Pro Pro 7 votes --Bart K (talk) 11:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes. Did you not revise this at all?? Among other things, who decides how many "collections points" a state has, and how many are used to dispose/recycle batteries (and how is this done), etc? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:12, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • It has been revised and edited (by Semyon as well). The state is free to determine the number, usage and operation of collection points, as long as it is within reason. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 15:20, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

AbstentionEdit

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Accepted This proposal is accepted! with at least 56% of all possible votes. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 20:54, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

012. Tax RatesEdit

Income Tax:

  • Tax Exclusion of L$30,000
  • First Rate of 20% (30,000 to 60,000)
  • Second Rate of 30% (60,000 to 150,000)
  • Third Rate of 40% (150,000 to 400,000)
  • Fourth Rate of 50% (400,000 to 1,000,000)
  • Fifth Rate of 60% (1,000,000 plus)

Property Tax:

  • Tax Exclusion of 60 square meters for property
  • Property Rate of 50 cents a square meter
  • Tax Exclusion of 40,000 square meters for land
  • Land Rate of 5 cents a square meter
  • Protected Rate of 1 cent a meter ((what is this?))

Imported Sales Tax:

  • 10% IST Rate

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 7 votes, I prefer fairer lower rates that do not attack the rich, especially no tax rates above 50%. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:25, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • ...

AbstainEdit

CommentsEdit

Declined This proposal is declined. - moot with the passing of Hoffmann's proposal. --Semyon 13:33, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

013. Alternate Tax RatesEdit

Income Tax:

Tax Exclusion of L$21,000
First Rate of 20% (21,000 to 52,000)
Second Rate of 30% (52,000 to 144,000)
Third Rate of 40% (144,000 to 626,000)
Fourth Rate of 50% (626,000 plus)

Property Tax:

Tax Exclusion of 60 Square Metres for Property
Property Rate of 50 Cents a Metre
Tax Exclusion of 40,000 Square Metres for Land
Land Rate of 5 Cents a Metre
Protected Rate of 1 Cent a Metre

Imported Sales Tax:

10% IST Rate

It'd raise L$2,643,796,000 Which should be more than enough for the various projects the States and Nation need to enact. It would not certainly be punitive to the richest but would ask them to lend the country a helping hand in this time of need (86% of Income Tax would come from those with over L$100,000 in earnings). The Property taxes allow small farmers and homeowners to be free of tax while requiring large property owning corporations and business people to contribute. The Imported Sales Tax would help keep Lovian industry protected during this fragile time.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

ContraEdit

  • Contra Contra 10 votes - Too much tax on poor and not enough on rich. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:27, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
The only reason you want tax on the rich is because you hate them with a passion. This tax proposal raises 86% of funds from those with over L$100,000 income and nothing from the poorest 50%. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:45, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
They're hardly any different... TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Again, the only reason they are hardly any different is because you have copied my proposal and hiked up taxes on the rich. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:52, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 2 votes. 20 is very high and you can start with 10%, Kunarian. Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 01:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

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CommentsEdit

An alternate to Time's proposal which is anti-anyone who earns a large amount of money. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:24, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

They're so close though... TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:29, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

The only reason they are close is because yours is essentially a copy of my proposal in the First Chamber with taxes hiked up on the rich. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:41, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Irrelevant. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:43, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Not irrelevant, you don't even under stand the taxes you are raising, as made clear by the non-understanding of the Protected Rate on land tax. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:44, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
Not understanding property tax is irrelevant to understanding income tax. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:46, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
If you want to go back to income tax, and talk about how you think having punitive taxes on the rich will help Lovia then feel free. For now I'm not replying so that other people can actually get in edgewise on this. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:54, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
I may have to vote pro on this, though I really would have liked for the lowest tax bracket only paying 10%. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 12:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
The lowest tax bracket is 0% though. --Semyon 14:24, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I was talking about the lowest tax-paying bracket. HORTON11: Email iconFollow me 14:29, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I'm all for lower taxes, especially on the lower rates. Just so you know, we'd lose about 124,000,000 in funds. If you could get the people who voted pro here to support lowering the first rate to 10% then we could certainly do it. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:05, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I raised the start of the first tax bracket for 21k to 30k, but apparently because adding an extra 10% tax above a million is punitive to the rich, no one's voting pro. Unamused TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 17:23, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
No you raised taxes a lot more than that. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 18:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
Except I didn't? TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 20:02, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Is the property tax per month or per year? --OuWTB 08:09, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

They're all per year (except IST), I think. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 22:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Accepted This proposal is accepted! --Semyon 13:31, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

014. Vouchers RepealEdit

This repeals vouchers, adds a Qualified Teacher Status, and makes some other minor changes. For CCPL voters, the religious education provision in the Secondary Education Act has been restored. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:43, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Primary Education ActEdit

    1. Primary education is the educating of children in a school or privately, by qualified teachers, in order to provide them with the apt knowledge and skills to go to secondary education.
    2. Primary education is provided in primary or elementary schools, unless the child is taught privately.
      1. Primary schools can be operated privately, that is by an individual or an organization, or publicly, that is by a neighborhood, hamlet, town, city, state or by the federal state.
      2. Primary schools have to appoint teachers that are qualified to teach the subjects they are asked to teach.
        1. All primary school teachers must have obtained a single Lovian Certificate of Education Level 2 or above.
        2. All primary school teachers must pass a set of examinations, consisting of an oral and written component, created and managed by the Ministry of Education.
        3. All primary school teachers must have obtained Qualified Teacher Status, which can be gained through completing an approved teacher training course, created and managed by the Ministry of Education.
      3. Primary schools can turn down pupils only in special cases, these being the inability to provide education to a pupil with a particular problem, the inability to properly provide education for a pupil due to a lack of resources or if a pupil has proven to be unable to behave according to previous schools' regulations. In no other cases, pupils shall be denied access without consultation with the Ministry of Education.
    3. Primary schools provide general and basic education to a child. All subjects taught must be Lovian Certificates of Education and may not be Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education.
      1. These subjects should be taught at least three hours per week, during the six years of primary education:
        • English (level 1)
        • Mathematics (level 1)
        • Arts and Crafts (level 1)
      2. These subjects should be taught at least two hours per week, during the six years of primary education:
        • Physical Education (level 1)
        • Social Education (level 1)
        • The school must also choose a level 1 language subject to provide other than English that must be taught at least two hours a week, from a list which the State Government will provide.
      3. These subjects should be taught at least one hour per week, during the six years of primary education:
        • History (level 1)
        • Geography (level 1)
        • Science (level 1)
        • Computing (level 1)
      4. Primary schools may also provide more languages than the two mandatory subjects to pupils. The specific additional languages a pupil is taught however will be selected by the pupil themselves from the list of additional languages the school provides beyond the two mandatory language subjects.
      5. Primary schools are free to choose to provide more classes of any of these subjects, or to provide other level 1 subjects considered valuable, in order to provide a minimum of twenty-two hours of class, every week of the schoolyear. Primary schools may provide more classes beyond the twenty-two hour minimum but none beyond the maximum of thirty hours of class, every week of the schoolyear.
      6. There shall be no doctrinal classes in primary schools.
        1. In a course called 'Religions of the world', children may be taught about religions. If the school wishes to teach this subject, all major religions should be brought to attention, as well as a non-religious attitude.
        2. Primary schools and their teachers may not try to convince children of a certain religious or political point of view, nor can they make any pupil exercise a religious act, unless the pupil and/or the parents agree with taking doctrinal classes.
    4. These rules apply for the arrangement of the timetable:
      1. A break of at least 10 minutes is compulsory between every two hours; more often is allowed.
      2. There shall be no classes on Sunday.
      3. There shall be no classes between 7 PM and 7 AM.
      4. There must be a lunch break every day, of at least an hour, between noon and 2 PM.
    5. Private education, by a qualified teacher, can be provided. In this case, the same rules apply.
      1. Private primary schools must follow all non-financial regulations provided in this law. They may not charge more than $11,000 for tuition.
    6. Every child residing in Lovia has to receive six years of primary education, beginning in the schoolyear during which the child will reach the age of 6 years.
      1. Only if a qualified psychologist and the pupil's teacher find it appropriate for the pupil to skip a schoolyear and continue education with older pupils, and if the parents agree on this, the pupil may skip a schoolyear.
      2. Every pupil has to receive primary education until the schoolyear during which the pupil will reach the age of 11, except in the case mentioned above.
    7. In case a primary school does not provide the kind of education described in this article, the Minister of Education or the Royal Educational Aims Council can decide to shut down the school until the service provided does qualify. In the meantime, the Ministry of Education must provide education to the pupils of that school, by allowing them instant pro-tempore access to another school.
      1. The Royal Educational Aims Council is a council under the Ministry of Education, consisting of three educational specialists who decide on the secondary education curriculum, and who can close a school (of any level) if it does not qualify with the requirements.
        1. The following three persons are members of the council: the Minister of Education, the Prime Minister, and the Minister of Labour as the pupils' and students' welfare watchdog.
        2. The Rector of Blackburn University is added to the council as its fourth member only when the council is looking into a matter directly concerned with the higher educational system.
    8. The Ministry of Education or States are allowed to create legislation concerning special needs education, and education in another language (special education).
      1. The same rules apply to special education as to regular institutions.
      2. Regular education must always remain available to pupils.
        1. All settlements with more than 5,000 inhabitants must have at least one regular primary school.
        2. A state must always have at least one regular primary school.
    9. All public primary schools within Lovia are publicly funded by the Ministry of Education.
      1. No child or their family may pay to use the services of a public primary school.
      2. Currently, a primary school will receive $11,000 for every student regularly attending the primary school.
      3. If a primary school believes it requires more funding, it may apply for it to the Ministry of Education.
        1. If the school disagrees with the ministry's decision, it may appeal it to a court.
      4. A primary school must be approved by qualified reviewers from the Ministry of Education every three years in order to receive funding.
      5. If an organization other than the Ministry of Education seeks to create schools that aim to receive public funding, they must be approved by the Ministry.
    10. Primary schools must register certain details in a primary school register.
      1. A primary school must register:
        • Their name.
        • The address of the school.
        • The number of pupils they are currently teaching a primary education to.
        • The number of teachers they are currently employing to teach primary education.
        • The date of registration.
      2. These registers are managed on a state by state basis by the relevant state government.
        1. Further details may be requested by the state government.
      3. The details must be renewed every half-year since the date of registration.
        1. If they are not renewed then the school shall be given a weeks grace period to fill in the details along with a notification from the state government, if it fails to renew details after the grace period then it is no longer considered able to provide education to students and must be shut down until it renews the details. In the meanwhile the Ministry of Education must provide education to the students of that school.
      4. Only primary schools that are registered in the primary school register may be considered primary schools by law.

Secondary Education ActEdit

    1. Secondary education is the educating of adolescents in a school or privately, by qualified teachers, in order to provide them with the apt knowledge and skills to lead a life in a modern society and in order to be able to continue studying in university or take on an apprenticeship.
      1. After having completed the schoolyear of their 16th birthday a child may choose to not continue ordinary school and instead pursue an apprenticeship, should they secure an apprenticeship then they may continue their education under their employer as an apprentice, if they at any point lose their apprenticeship they must at the soonest possible date rejoin a school.
    2. Secondary education is provided in high schools or secondary schools, unless the adolescent is taught privately.
      1. Secondary schools can be operated privately, that is by an individual or an organization, or publicly, that is by a neighborhood, hamlet, town, city, state or by the federal state.
      2. Secondary schools have to appoint teachers that are qualified to teach the subjects they are asked to teach.
        1. All secondary school teachers must have obtained a single Lovian Certificate of Education Level 4 or above or a Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education Level 4 or above.
        2. All secondary school teachers must pass a set of examinations in their specialty, consisting of an oral and written component, created and managed by the Ministry of Education.
        3. All secondary school teachers must have obtained Qualified Teacher Status, which can be gained through completing an approved teacher training course, created and managed by the Ministry of Education.
      3. Secondary schools can turn down pupils only in special cases, these being the inability to provide education to a pupil with a particular problem, the inability to properly provide education for a pupil due to a lack of resources or if a pupil has proven to be unable to behave according to previous schools' regulations. In no other cases, pupils shall be denied access without consultation with the Ministry of Education.
    3. Secondary schools provide two tiers of education, one to a child from the year in which they turn 12 until the year in which they turn 16, and another to a child from the year in which they turn 17 until the year in which they turn 18.
      1. Secondary schools provide a general education to a child up until the age of 16. All subjects taught must be Lovian Certificates of Education and may not be Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education.
        1. These subjects should be taught at least four hours per week, during the first four years of secondary education:
          • Mathematics (level 2)
        2. These subjects should be taught at least two hours per week, during the first four years of secondary education:
          • English (level 2)
          • Literature (level 2)
          • Art (level 2)
          • Physical Education (level 2)
          • Social Education (level 2)
          • Technology (level 2)
          • Science (level 2)
          • The school must also choose a level 2 language subject to provide other than English that must be taught at least two hours a week, from a list which the State Government will provide.
        3. These subjects should be taught at least one hour per week, during the first four years of secondary education:
          • History (level 2)
          • Geography (level 2)
          • Computing (level 2)
        4. Secondary schools may also provide more languages than the two mandatory subjects to pupils between the ages of 12 and 16. The specific additional languages a pupil is taught however will be selected by the pupil themselves from the list of additional languages the school provides beyond the two mandatory language subjects.
        5. Secondary schools are free to choose to provide more classes of any of these subjects, or to provide other level 2 subjects considered valuable, in order to provide a minimum of thirty hours of class, every week of the schoolyear. Secondary schools may provide more classes beyond the thirty hour minimum but none beyond the maximum of forty hours of class, every week of the schoolyear.
      2. Secondary schools provide an advanced education to a child of the age of 17 and 18. All subjects taught must be Lovian Certificates of Education and may not be Supplementary Lovian Certificate of Education.
        1. These subjects should be taught at least five hours per week, during the last two years of secondary education:
          • English (level 3)
          • Mathematics (level 3)
          • The school must also choose a level 3 language subject to provide other than English that must be taught at least five hours a week, from a list which the State Government will provide.
        2. Secondary schools must provide a wide selection of level 3 subjects for pupils to choose from to study. Pupils may choose to study a minimum of three extra subjects to study to bring their total time within school to 30 hours of class, every week of the schoolyear. Pupils may choose to study two more subjects beyond the thirty hour minimum, bringing their total time within school to 40 hours of class, every week of the schoolyear.
        3. Each additional subject a pupil chooses to study must be taught for five hours each week.
      3. Doctrinal classes may be provided in secondary schools by the school itself, if wished.
        1. There shall be no more than one hour of doctrinal class per week.
        2. The content of doctrinal classes, in which the teacher teaches a particular religious or political world view, can be chosen by the school and teacher.
          1. There shall be no doctrinal classes about extremist views; that is: no far-right, far-left, extremist religious, violent or extreme nationalist views can be taught. If needed, the Royal Educational Aims Council and the Minister of Education can dismiss a doctrinal course.
        3. A student is allowed not to follow a doctrinal course provided by a secondary school, if he or she does not want to take this course. In order to skip these classes, the student has to notify the school direction and stay on school property during the courses.
        4. A student may not be forced to attend a religious school against their will.
        5. A course called 'Religions of the world', or any course similar to it, is not considered a doctrinal course.
        6. No tests and exams shall be taken for these courses.
    4. These rules apply for the arrangement of the timetable:
      1. A break of at least 10 minutes is compulsory between every two hours; more often is allowed.
      2. There shall be no classes on Sunday.
      3. There shall be no classes between 7 PM and 7 AM.
      4. There must be a lunch break every day, of at least an hour, between noon and 2 PM.
    5. Private education, by a qualified teacher, can be provided. In this case, the same rules apply.
      1. Private secondary schools must follow all non-financial regulations provided in this law. They may not charge more than $15,000 for tuition.
    6. Every child residing in Lovia has to receive at least four years of secondary education, beginning in the schoolyear after which the adolescent has finished his primary education successfully. Additionally should a child not be employed as an apprentice, they must continue to receive education until they have completed the educational year in which they are 18.
      1. Only if a qualified psychologist and the student's teacher find it appropriate for the student to skip a schoolyear and continue education with older students, and if the parents agree on this, the student may skip a schoolyear.
    7. Secondary schools that do not provide the kind of education described in this article, the Minister of Education or the Royal Educational Aims Council can decide to shut down the school until the service provided do qualify. In the meanwhile the Ministry of Education must provide education to the students of that school.
    8. The Ministry of Education and States are allowed to create legislation concerning special needs education, religious education, and education in another language (special education).
      1. The same rules apply to special education as to regular institutions.
      2. Regular education must always remain available to pupils.
        1. All settlements with more than 10,000 inhabitants must have at least one regular secondary school.
        2. A state must always have at least one regular secondary school.
    9. All public secondary schools within Lovia are publicly funded by the Ministry of Education.
      1. No child or their family may pay to use the services of a public secondary school.
      2. Currently, a secondary school will receive $15,000 for every student regularly attending the secondary school.
      3. If a secondary school believes it requires more funding, it may apply for it to the Ministry of Education.
        1. If the school disagrees with the ministry's decision, it may appeal it to a court.
      4. A secondary school must be approved by qualified reviewers from the Ministry of Education every three years in order to receive funding.
      5. If an organization other than the Ministry of Education seeks to create schools that aim to receive public funding, they must be approved by the Ministry.
    10. Secondary schools must register certain details in a secondary school register.
      1. A secondary school must register:
        • Their name.
        • The address of the school.
        • The number of pupils they are currently teaching a secondary education to.
        • The number of teachers they are currently employing to teach secondary education.
        • The date of registration.
      2. These registers are managed on a state by state basis by the relevant state government.
        1. Further details may be requested by the state government.
      3. The details must be renewed every half-year since the date of registration.
        1. If they are not renewed then the school shall be given a weeks grace period to fill in the details along with a notification from the state government, if it fails to renew details after the grace period then it is no longer considered able to provide education to students and must be shut down until it renews the details. In the meanwhile the Ministry of Education must provide education to the students of that school.
      4. Only secondary schools that are registered in the secondary school register may be considered secondary schools by law.

VotingEdit

Congress Voting Options
  • {{pro}} resulting in: Pro Pro
  • {{contra}} gives: Contra Contra
  • {{abstention}} gives: Abstention Abstention

ProEdit

  • Pro Pro 10 votes TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 21:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 6 votes --Semyon 00:26, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak Pro Pro 15 votes --OuWTB 10:34, May 30, 2015 (UTC) I do not see a direct need for changing the voucher system, but the teacher qualification thing is a good thing.
  • Pro Pro 7 votes Frijoles333 TALK 14:59, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro Traspes - Dianna Bartol LOGO POSITIVE BLOCK 01:00, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

ContraEdit

  • Strong Contra Contra 7 votes Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:52, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 15 votes. --OuWTB 10:54, May 30, 2015 (UTC) Kunar's right: No child or their family may pay to use the services of a public secondary school.
  • Contra Contra 7 votes. Bart K (talk) 14:02, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

AbstainEdit

  • Abstention Abstention 7 votes. 77topaz (talk) 01:02, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
  • ...

Especially with topaz's abstention, this bill will not pass. :o TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 01:23, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Declined This proposal is declined. Due to the failure of this bill, I will resign as Education Minister. --William Krosby 20:52, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Need to read it first. --OuWTB 06:15, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

This section contradicts itself:

6. Every child residing in Lovia has to receive six years of primary education, beginning in the schoolyear during which the child will reach the age of 6 years. That is, they start when they're five.

  1. Only if a qualified psychologist and the pupil's teacher find it appropriate for the pupil to skip a schoolyear and continue education with older pupils, and if the parents agree on this, the pupil may skip a schoolyear.
  2. Every pupil has to receive primary education until the schoolyear during which the pupil will reach the age of 12, except in the case mentioned above. They end when they're twelve, i.e. seven years after they start and not six.

Also, you say that "there shall be no classes between 7 PM and 7 AM". Don't you think 7 PM is too late for school to end, and that 7 AM is too early for it to start? :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 13:57, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

@contradiction: I see your point, though there is ambiguity whether the 'schoolyear during which the pupil will reach the age of 12' is part of the primary education or not. @classes: personally yes, I think the limits are designed to be liberal though. --Semyon 14:23, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I have changed it to be non-contradictory (I hope). TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:11, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

That's indeed better :P --QytokantFRÅGOR??? 18:28, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Let's see. --OuWTB 10:28, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

So it is true, the segregation begins. This government is nothing but a sham. Under the voucher system any child may go to any school regardless of wealth and it was choice not necessity that governed the decision of which school they should go to. under the new system, rich and poor will become segregated. Those with money shall be able to afford to choose which school they go to while poor students will be forced to go to designated schools.

Those who believe that education should be based around the need and choice of the student should not support this.

I hope that Oos will change his vote and that no others will support this. CCPL particularly due to the issues this will cause for religious education in smaller and less wealthy communities. As I doubt the new state controlled school system that all poorer children will be forced to attend will allow religious education. Under the voucher system the government would have allowed them their choice but under this system if they are not wealthy enough they have no choice.

I strongly oppose this ideological and negative attack based on nothing but hatred of private institutions. If people want qualified teachers I shall make a proposal below that they can support. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 10:49, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Not at all. Vouchers are the system that produce segregation, for reasons I am not interested in writing out again once more. Schools will include many choices to support the student, and the special education is included in this law. Competition has no place in education. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 14:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

On chat, Oos has said he wants money to go directly to pupils. This is essentially the case, where schools get funding based on how many students attend. Public schools can be managed by an organization other than the MoE, they just have to be inspected by the MoE. If a school elects to not receive government money, they can. But then students have to pay tuition. TimeMaster (talkcontribs) 15:13, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

015. Government reshuffle Edit

This needs to be passed. I propose the following:

  • PM: Oos Wes Ilava (filling vacancy)
  • Speaker: Neil Hardy (filling vacancy)
  • Minister of Labour: Lukas Hoffmann (filling vacancy)
  • Minister of Commerce: Charles Jones (filling vacancy)
  • Minister of Minorities: Bart Koenen (filling vacancy)
  • Minister of Transportation: Jonas Hrádske, could be replaced with another of Oos's chars (replacing Wrexley)
  • Minister of Family, Youth and Elderly: Mark Eastwood (replacing Sarah Lambert)
  • Minister of Culture: Dimitri Kalinnikov (replacing Aina Sarria)
  • Minister of Justice: Aina Sarria (moved from Culture to replace Al-Asmari)

Notes:

  • Sarria has been given Justice, which she has previously shown interest in, to compensate for the loss of Culture.
  • The new entrants have 8 out of 20 ministries, which reflects the balance in congress reasonably well. They also have the PM position.
  • Potential problem: Happy does not have a ministry (edit: if you don't count Speaker, of course). However, he explicitly stated a month ago he did not want one and did not even give himself one in his own gov proposal. He did express interest in Tourism and Sport, but Topaz is doing something with that, so I oppose firing him. I hope this proposal won't get held up for that.
  • If additional problems appear, we can hold another more minor reshuffle later.

VotingEdit

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