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::Maybe the Roman Catholics can build the church and hand over the Quarry Chapel to the protestants :o Anyway, the RC's are in such numbers that they require more than just a chapel. Especially consider their booming demographics: [http://nation.wikia.com/wiki/East_Hills?diff=prev&oldid=188267] --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:14, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
  
::Maybe the Roman Catholics can build the church and hand over the Quarry Chapel to the protestants :o Anyway, the RC's are in such numbers that they require more than just a chapel. Especially consider their booming demographics: [http://nation.wikia.com/wiki/East_Hills?diff=prev&oldid=188267] --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:14, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
 
::@separation church and state: CCPL is anti-that, so they would actually be glad about those accusations :3 --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:18, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
  
::@separation church and state: CCPL is anti-that, so they would actually be glad about those accusations :3 --[[User:Ooswesthoesbes|O<u>u</u>WTB]] 19:18, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Ithat's what I would propose too. And , isn't there something in the constitution or law against that? [[User:Horton11|<small>HORTON11</small>]]: [[File:Email_icon.jpg|25px|link=User_talk:horton11|Inbox]] • [[File:follow_me.PNG|35px|link=Special:Contributions/horton11|Follow me!]] 19:27, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
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English Narasha 'Oshenna Slovenčina Lèmbörgsj

Welcome to the Oceana State Council

This council currently consists of the First Oceana Advisory State Board. Discussions may be held in English and Narasha 'Oshenna. The following seats have been assigned:

It is our task to guard the Oceana State Law.


Witeate do that Oshenna Desquerát

Denshenne thattey rát outbet that Onest Desquerát. Slapemortels prosh bite held in Angltshi o Narasha 'Oshenna. Thie sledovattin saytels have biten epodavatten:

That is oshine take do warte that Zakone 'Oshenna.


Vitajte na Očenskej Štátnej Rade

Tá rada skladá sa Prvej Očenskej Štátnej Rade chvíľkový. Rozpravy ony smú robiť v angličtinu či očenčinu. Ďalšie sedadlá podávali sa:

To je naše take do strážiť Očenské Zakone.


Wèlkóm bie g'm Ósjennisjem Lenjesraoje

Deze raod besteit huuj oed g'm Ieëstem Ósjennisjem Lenjesraoje. Bekallinger kintj me doon i g'm Ingelsje èn g'm Ósjennisje. Die kómmenj zeiteler woorte verdeildj:

Det is ós deil die Ósjennerlöj tö bezeen.

Welcome / Witeate

Alright, let's set up this thing already :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 18:13, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Mmm.. Just noticed I've got nearly an absolute majority (64%) :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 18:21, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
Woo! 1 seat! :L Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 19:01, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I've always been very generous Egotrot --OuWTBsjrief-mich 06:17, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing and expanding the current Chapter 2: Regulations concerning construction

I might as well pass this without your approval, but still I consider it better to consult you guys for an opinion first :P

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 1
Building Rights Act
  1. If one desires to construct a building in a neighborhood, the Governor must approve the construction plans as well as the construction site.
    1. One does not need to inform the Governor about any new constructions.
    2. If the Governor does not reject the plans or the site within two weeks, both are to be considered approved.
  2. If one desires to construct a building in agrarian areas or forests, the Governor and State Council must approve the construction plans as well as the construction site.
    1. One does not need to inform the Governor about any new constructions.
    2. If the Governor does not reject the plans or the site within two weeks, both are to be considered approved.
    3. The voice of environmental movements is considered to weigh heavy in this case, more so than when it is planned to be built in an already existing neighborhood.
  3. A building may only be demolished with the permission of the Governor; if a building is a monument, it cannot be demolished, unless the building is taken from the monument list.
Article 2
Monument Care Act
  1. All monuments in the State of Oceana are administrated, registered, protected, and kept for future generations by the Oceana State Department of Culture and Heritage.
    1. Buildings considered to have monumental value are historic sites, architectural rarities, buildings with high emotional value to the Oceana people, and buildings constructed before 1930.
  2. The Governor of Oceana must appoint someone to be the Chairman of this service or be the Chairman himself.
  3. A building will only be taken from the list with high exception. For example, if it has been added by mistake, if other constructions have to take place at the very same spot (in this case, moving the monumental structure should be considered), or if the building is very damaged and irrepairable (in this case, reconstruction should be considered).
Article 3
City, Town, Village, and Hamlet Act
  1. No person can found a city, town, village or hamlet without the permission of the acting Governor and State Council.
  2. Neighborhoods can be founded with the sole permission of the Governor, but this permission can be declared of no account by the State Council if they consider the expansion of that town or city unnecessary and if they do not think that this expansion will contribute to the State's prosperity.
Article 4
Mining Act
  1. Nobody is allowed to construct a mine of any kind without the permission of the Governor and State Council.
  2. All mines must be build at least three kilometers away from cities or towns; hamlets and villages can however be built near a mine.
    1. If a hamlet or village grows out to become a city or town, this does not affect any previously constructed mines.
  3. A mining organization can found a hamlet with the permission of the Governor and State Council.
Stranka 1
Staveright Ekt
  1. Asime one toozhit do konstruktovat un stavebechen in un town, that Gonner mus eproof thie konstruksiaroshvers ae'hey as that konstruksiasait.
    1. One nef no that need do swuwat that Gonner ebow eni nove konstruksias.
    2. Asime that Gonner n'odmitnut thie roshvers o that sait kuein dwah tyshdien, bowf mus one razmatrivat as eproofen.
  2. Asime one toozhit do konstruktovat un stavebechen in agrounni kraiths o lesses, that Gonner an Desquerát mus eproof thie konstruksiaroshvers ae'hey as that konstruksiasait.
    1. One nef no that need do swuwat that Gonner ebow eni nove konstruksias.
    2. Asime that Gonner n'odmitnut thie roshvers o that sait kuein dwah tyshdien, bowf mus one razmatrivat as eproofen.
    3. That las o'invainmental tastes is erazmatrivatten do zoud tashki in thattey sagh, mow so as ked that is eroshvatten do bite estavatten in un town that is retch.
  3. Un stavebechen prosh one len rozburat kue that suelash o'that Gonner; asime un stavebechen is un monument, that na can bitepos erozburatten, vuenimpo as that stavebechen is enummen fo that monumentni list.
Stranka 2
Monumentni Surgh Ekt
  1. Ow monuments i that Harven 'Oshenna get administratovatten, ezasnamenatten, uhatshitten, an kept fo futurni generatsias by that Oshenna Harven Department o'Cultsher an Arfgood.
    1. Stavebechens erazmatrivatten do have monumentni tshena ar historiski saits, arkitekturni riedkiens, stavebechens kue vuesockane emotsionalni tshena fo thie Oshenna lide, o stavebechens erazmatrivatten befo 1930.
  2. That Gonner 'Oshenna mus onvise suemen do bite that Tshooliman o'thattey syvess o bite that Tshooliman hine ayn bwa.
  3. Un stavebechen buet len bite enummen fo that list kue vuesock vuenimst. By priklad, asime iaf biten edodatten by falnost, asime other konstruksia mus biten enummen sted at that velmi same skwyrna (in thattey sagh, zagnuttin that monumentni stavenile bude erazmatrivatten), or asime that stavebechen is velmi eshkoudatten an ozreparatovatskopni (in thattey sagh, rekonstruksia bude erazmatrivatten).
Stranka 3
Mest, Dedin, Dyrp, an Tyrnav Ekt
  1. Na man can nadavatpos un mest, dedin, dyrp o tyrnav kueout that suelash o'that ektin Gonner an Desquerát.
  2. Towns can bitepos enadavatten kue that jedini suelash o'that Gonner, ale thattey suelash can bitepos evillasitten ozmeanni by that Desquerát asime those razmatrivat that buchen o'that dedin o that mest oznean an asime those na thank that thattey buchen buet prispite do that Harven hine dobernit.
Stranka 4
Shecking Ekt
  1. Nacase buet edovolitten do konstruktovat un sheck o'eni rodsh kueout that suelash o'that Gonner an that Desquerát.
  2. Ow shecks mus bite estavatten lestens trea kilometers gun fo miesten an dedins; tyrnavs an dyrps can biten estavatten near un sheck avea.
    1. Asime un tyrnav o dyrp outgrou do bico un mest o dedin, thattey na hibbring eni sofouth ekonstruktovatten shecks.
  3. Un sheckingtaste can nadavatpos un tyrnav kue that suelash o'that Gonner an that Desquerát.

Comments / Komentar

If you can't read the Oshenna version, I also made an English version especially for you guys :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 07:41, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Considering environmentalism shouldn't there be a longer period in which a Governor can refuse a planning permission in Article 1? And in Article 1 section 3, shouldn't the owner of the property (if it is a private owner) to be demolished give the Governor a weeks (or less?) notice before it occurs so the Governor can understand why and what is going on along with giving the chance to protest the demolition or not.

Why are buildings constructed before 1930 considered to need protection? Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 13:14, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

@environmentalism: well, I've actually done that for practical reasons. On-wiki, a week time is rather much. If someone creates, let's say, a farm in Dubnitz. Should he have to wait a month before he's sure it ain't deleted?
@1.3: so the Governor can understand why and what is going on along with giving the chance to protest the demolition or not > I don't really understand this. Especially the why and what is going on along with ... part :P
@1930: they don't háve to be protected, it is just that in case the building is put forward for monumental state, it is a criterium that says it should get it. For reasons of continuity, people feel at home in their neighborhood, and the oldest buildings typically carry an emotional value to the local people (and not all Oceana people per se). Therefore we should consider this a criterium. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:12, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Although I believe all matters from now on should be put to all respective state councils, I'm glad you did :p even though you do have a large majority and don't really need to propose it to us one voters :P. I approve of the changes.Marcus/Michael Villanova 14:19, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
I know, but I prefer not to be a dictator. If everybody says it's a bad idea; it probably is :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:32, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Heh. :L anyways seems alright, about 1.3: what I meant was they should have to notify the Governor, as a matter of formality and to keep track of who's wanting to demolish what and where. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 14:34, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Well, they should always ask the governor, cuz without permission they can not demolish it. So, I think it works just fine. As long as the governor does not say it's okay, it is not okay :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 09:14, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

It is good I think! Bart K (talk) 16:59, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

State Councillor Order / Desqueráterlista

Yes, Kunar always has the best ideas first :P Anyway, we need a SCO too. Please add to the following list:

We're complete now :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 08:30, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Precision within Chapter 1; Article 2: State Government

Changes in bold.

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 2
State Government
  1. State Elections:
    1. Every year State Elections must be held for the election of the 30 seat State Council.
    2. Every Lovian citizen has the right to become a candidate for Governor of Oceana if he or she has an official residence in this State.
      1. It is not permitted to be a candidate during a State Election in more than one state.
    3. The term of office of the elected Governor, Deputy Governor, and State Council Member is exactly one year. Therefore every year the elections should be held at the same date.
    4. Election procedure during State Elections:
      1. The Oceana State Elections are two different elections held at the same time; one for electing the Governor and Deputy Governor, and one for electing the State Council.
      2. During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen and resident of the state can become a candidate for Governor in the State Elections. This period begins exactly one month before the day of the inauguration of the Governor, Deputy Governor, and State Council. This is also the period in which parties can register for the State Council Elections.
      3. During a period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her vote in favor of a candidate in the State Governor Elections.
        1. Every citizen may cast one vote per Governor candidate in the State Elections.
        2. Citizens may choose not to cast their vote.
        3. The citizen must be a resident of the state.
      4. During that same period of two weeks, any Lovian citizen can cast his or her vote in favor of a political party in the State Council Elections.
        1. Every citizen may cast three favorable votes per State Council Election: a Major Vote, a Minor Vote and a Favor Vote. A Major Vote is worth three points, a Minor Vote two and a Favor Vote one.
          1. Additionally, a citizen may chose to cast one point per year he has been living in the State of Oceana. These points may be cast for one political party, but this is not mandatory.
        2. It is not allowed to run independently; one must be on the list of a political party that either contains the name "Oceana" or "Oshenna" in its name, or that is Oceana-based.
        3. All political parties must receive at least three points to receive any seats in the State Council.
        4. Citizens may not cast multiple votes for the same political party. All cast votes must be given to different political parties.
        5. Citizens may choose not to cast their vote.
        6. The citizen must be a resident of the state.
      5. The normal dates of elections, excluding the possibility of a resignation of both Governor and Deputy Governor, are set at September 16th to 30th for nominations, and from October 1st to 14th for voting. Inauguration Day is set at November 1st.
      6. All political parties will complete the elections with a percentage of the total votes, with the exception of those that have withdrawn.
        1. The percentage of votes cast to a certain political party forms the total votes cast and is the percentage of seats in State Council that the candidate will control.
          1. The State Council Members may delegate their seats to all the parties that they wish, but still control the votes of each State Council Member.
      7. The candidate for Governor who received the highest number of votes and at least three will become Governor of the State of Oceana.
        1. In the case of an ex aequo, a second voting round must be held within two weeks' time.
        2. The Governor is head of the State Government.
      8. The candidate for Governor who received the second highest number of votes and at least three will become Deputy Governor of the State of Oceana.
        1. The Deputy Governor is in temporary head of State during the absence of the Governor.
        2. Upon the resignation of the Governor, or any other instance causing the Governor to quit, the Deputy Governor becomes Governor and will keep this office until the next Stae Elections.
      9. In the State of Oceana, the voting age limit for statewide elections is set to the age of 18.
    5. All power of the State Council goes to the Governor, or the Deputy Governor, if the Governor is inactive, when more than half of the Members of the State Council are inactive; either self-declared or if they have not edited for over a month (30 days).
Stranka 2
Welade o'that Harven
  1. Harven Eleksias:
    1. Efrock Harven Eleksias mus bite held fo that eleksia o'thie tridshat-saytelaeng Desquerát.
    2. Efri Lovish sitzen has that right do bico un candidat fo Gonner 'Oshenna asime he o she has un ofishel residensia in thattey Harven.
      1. Niese na edovolnitten do bite un candidat durende un Harven Eleksia i mor as jidden harven.
    3. That ofishterm o'that elektovatten Gonner, Deptee, an Desqueráter is jidden rock up that stet. Dafor efrock thie eleksias bude held at that same totshka.
    4. Eleksiaprokedur durende thie Harven Eleksias:
      1. Thie Oshenna Harven Eleksias are dwah rozdielen eleksias held at that same totshka; jidden fo that eleksia o'that Gonner an Deptee, an jidden fo that eleksia o'that Desquerát.
      2. Durende un period o'dwah tyshdien, eni Lovish sitzen an bivetter o'that harven can bicopos un candidat fo Gonner i thie Harven Eleksias. Thattey period bigen eksaktane jidden meshats befo that den o'that inouguratsia o'that Gonner, Deptee, an Desquerát. Thattey is ouso that period i chom partis can zasnamenatpos fo thie Desquerát Eleksias.
      3. Durende un period o'dwah tyshdien, eni Lovish sitzen can castpos hine o shine lasovebechen quoldober un candidata i thie Harven Gonner Eleksias.
        1. Efri sitzen prosh cast jidden lasovebechen a candidat fo Gonner i thie Harven Eleksias.
        2. Sitzens prosh wibrat do na cast thoshine lasovebechens.
        3. That sitzen mus bite un bivetter o'that harven.
      4. Durende that same period o'dwah tyshdien, eni Lovish sitzen can castpos hine o shine lasovechen quoldober un politikni partia i thie Desquerát Eleksias.
        1. Efri sitzen prosh cast trea quolni lasovebechens a Desquerát Eleksia: un Maisel, un Mainor, an un Quolni. Un Maisel is trea punkts a'hodnot, un Mainer is dwah punkts a'hodnot an un Quolni is jidden punkt a'hodnot.
          1. Dodatnine, un sitzen prosh wibrat do cast jidden punkt a rock that iaf biten bivettin i that Harven 'Oshenna. Thattey punkts prosh bite ecasten fo jidden politikni parti, ale thattey nis na zavesockel.
        2. That n'is na edovolitten do rynne nesavicelostane; one mus bite up that list o'un politikni parti that obshanut bud thie names "Oceana" or "Oshenna" in ithine name, o that is ecesten in Oshenna.
        3. Ow politikni partis mus priyat lestens trea punkts do priyat eni saytels i that Desquerát.
        4. Sitzens na prosh cast multipel lasovebechens fo that same politikni parti. Ow casten lasovebechens mus bite given do rozdielen politikni partis.
        5. Sitzens prosh wibrat do na cast thoshine lasovebechens.
        6. That sitzen mus bite un bivetter o'that harven.
      5. Thie brukni totshkas o'eleksias, vuenine that mozno o'un upyieing o'bowf that Gonner an that Deptee, are esen at 16 do 30 o'September fo thie namebrings, an fo 1 do 14 'October fo that lasovattin. That Den 'Inouguratsia is esen at 1 o'November.
      6. Ow politikni partis buet uplen thie eleksias kue perses o'thie uplen lasovebechens, kue that vuenimst o'those that have ustupatten.
        1. Thie perses o'lasovebechen ecasten do un necki politikni parti form thie uplen casten lasovebechens an is thie perses o'saytels i that Desquerát that that candidat buet kontrolovat.
          1. Thie Desqueráters prosh delegatovat thoshine saytels do ow thie parties that thawnt, ale steal kontrolovat thie lasovebechen o'efri Desqueráter.
      7. That candidat fo Gonner kto priyatteth that vuesockas numer o'lasovebechens an lestens trea buet bico Gonner o'that Harven 'Oshenna.
        1. Insagh un samegoy, un toest lasovatround mus bite held inkue dwah tyshdien o'time.
        2. That Gonner is that law o'that Harven Welade.
      8. That candidat fo Gonner kto priyatteth that up-yidden vuesockas numer o'lasovebechens an lestens trea buet bico Deptee o'that Harven 'Oshenna.
        1. That Deptee is meantimeni that law o'that Harven durende that absensia o'that Gonner.
        2. Asime that Gonner upyie, or eni other instansia is that stilit that he mus got, dan bico that Deptee that Gonner an buet keep that ofish til thie prisht Harven Eleksias.
      9. I that Harven 'Oshenna, that lasovatockray fo harvenwide eleksias is esen do that starb 'osemnest.
    5. Ow that motsh o'that Desquerát got de that Gonner, o that Deptee, asime that Gonner is unaktifni, kede mor as that poln o'thie Desqueráters are inaktifni; bud evillasitten by themself or asime theef na editten for over un meshats (tridshat dien).

Comments / Komentar

In order to make State Elections more local, I've added this. It basically means that a political party running for the State Council should either have "Oceana" or "Oshenna" in its name, or own an office/headquarters in Oshenna (good for the selling of property). --OuWTBsjrief-mich 09:08, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Seems logical, rules seem good, I'm pro. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 09:40, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
You know considering all this I'm thinking of making a seperate CNP affiliated part for Oceana, similar to the situation between the CDU and CSU in Germany. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 11:09, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
More like MCP-PNO and LP-NPO? --OuWTBsjrief-mich 11:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll also be turning one of my representatives in Congress to the party. I think I'll call it something like the "Konservatni an Natsionalistiski Parti 'Oshenna" as to distinguish itself from the more general conservatives and the so called nationalists in the NPO. It'll follow a liberal-ish economic policy line and a conservative-progressive mixed social policy. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 11:34, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
What will its stance be on Oceana regionalism/separatism? --OuWTBsjrief-mich 11:44, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
It'd want an autonomous Oceana along with a discussion about the Oceana sections of Sylvania and ask for a vote so that the people in the Oceana sections of Sylvania may be allowed to determine their own future. Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 11:56, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, sounds like a party CCPL could collaborate with :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 12:01, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Glad of it. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP2 KunarianTALK 12:09, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
It's now UL-NPO :P and it seems a tad regionalist, but either I'll go pro or abstain :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 14:11, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Ah yeah, probably gonna make that mistake many times still, thanks for correcting though :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:07, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Btw: I like the OceanaCNP logo. I think i'll just vote pro i guess :3 Marcus/Michael Villanova 19:24, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Hahah :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 08:19, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

  • Pro Pro 15 seats/saytels. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 09:39, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 1 seat. In the hopes that this law ensures Oshenna is governed from Oshenna. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 09:47, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
    That Lew bude i sloboda! :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 09:56, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

Protection of local nature

In the past several plans were drawn up concerning the protection of our local nature and local heritage. I would like to re-install these in an official way. See also User talk:Intothewild/Oshenna.

We still have to draw up plans concerning natural protection; as well as protected sights.

For now I would like to start with a plan for the officilization of water body names and natural area names. The list is as follows:

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 5
Recognized Areal Names Act
  1. Several water body names have been officialized in Oceana, these only include the largest waters:
    1. Barstow River; Beaver River; Belni; Cur Stream; Dennerwa; Dien; Done; Eastern Kláp; Falcon River; Goarssef; Guend; Guendter Channel; Heyessef; Hillstern; Heartland Stream; Hurbanova Stream; Johnsilver Stream; Kollweck; Lessef; Lower Guend; Miesha; Nahrodin; New Canal; Northern Trench; Old Guend; Old Syf; Pacific Ocean; Pester; Ploath; Polish Stream; Prolock; Scueln; Shrod Channel; Snalter Stream; Snoarfall; Svolnick; Syf; That Hraght; That Logue; Thatrensh; That Yin; Treehold Stream; Trwa; Upper Guend; Upper Vax; Vax; Velmnick; Wishe.
  2. Several areal names have been officialized as well, and are grouped in five different categories:
    1. Forestal areas: Birds Forests; Carlton Forests; Duenn Forests; Lielnick Forests; Mycknick Forests; Polish Forests; Ryshembrock Forests; Southern Beaver River Forests; Southern Forests.
    2. Islands and wetlands: Isle of Bratislava Wedlands; Isle of Frisco; Isle of London; Svolnick.
    3. Elevated or uneven areas: Bosch Hills; Curland Massive; Eastern Massive; Easthills; Falconbergh; Lawrence French Massive; Massive of the Kings; Northern Central Hills; Southern Central Hills; Syf Hills; That Heye; The Heights; Westhills.
    4. River areas: Beaver River; Beaver River Mouth; Hurbanova Stream; Kollweck; Miesha; That Logue; Thatrensh.
    5. Special landscapes: Betwixt the Dwah; Overbanken; That Ength; That Pitte; That Pynt; Vineyards.
  3. A map with river names can be found here; and a map with areal names can be found here.
Stranka 5
Ekt kue thie Uznanen Kraithen Names
  1. Wesheliak vodnidieranames have biten ofishelroben in Oshenna, thattey witshanimke len thie radishas waters:
    1. Rike o'Barstove; Rike o'thie Bobors; Belni; Curbeck; Dennerwa; Done; Goarssef; Guend; Guendter Channel; Heyessef; Hillstern; Heartlandsbeck; Kollweck; Lessef; Miesha; Nahrodin; Naskar Guend; Near That Pitte; Nove Channel; Nortni Trench; Pester; Ploath; Polske Beck; Prolock; Rike o'Swolnick; Rike o'that Falke; Rike o'thie Wishe; Scueln; Shrod Channel; Snaltersbeck; Snoarfall; Starguend; Starsyf; Syf; That Beck; That Great Oshen; That Graght; That Logue; Thatrench; That Stronghold; That Yin; Thie Dien; Trwa; Vax; Velmnick; Viedni Kláp; Vuesocker Guend; Vuesocker Vax.
  2. Weshliak kraithen names have biten ofishelroben ae'hey, an those be egroopen in patsh rozdielen kategorias:
    1. Lesni kraiths: Carltonlessies; Duennlessies; Ewtecklessies; Lessies o'that Soutni Rike o'thie Bobors; Lielnicklessies; Mycknicklessies; Polskolessies; Ryshembrocklessies; Soutni Lessies.
    2. Osters an mokradoves: Mokradoves o'That Wodate Oster; Nobivinen Oster; Oster o'Londine; Swolnick.
    3. Elevatovatten or uneven kraiths: Bosch Hine Kopetshies; Eeshkopetshies; Falkegoard; Kopetshies o'that Syff; Masht o'Lawrence French; Nortni Mithni Kopetshies; Soutni Mithni Kopetshies; That Curland; That Heye; That Vuesockt; Thie Krals Thoshine Masht; Viedni Masht; Weeshkopetshies.
    4. Rikni kraiths: Rike o'thie Bobors; Rike o'thie Bobors Hine Ust; Kollweck; Miesha; That Beck; That Logue.
    5. Shpetsialni navenkis: Betwixt the Dwah; Overbanken; That Ength; That Pitte; That Pynt; Thie Boarpoles.
  3. Un karta kue names fo thie rikes can bitepos hey efinden; an un karta kue kraithni names can bitepos hey efinden.

Bart K (talk) 14:23, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Comments / Komentar

I'll adapt the law in a few secs, so it takes up less room :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:28, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'll finish the Oceana names for the rivers and forests later on. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 15:06, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Speaking as Cromwood, this seems like a perfect way to make things official. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 15:19, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

To make what official? :o --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:25, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Never mind, that was just a stupid remark :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:25, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
I thought the isle of bratslavia drowned or some junk :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:04, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it did. But there is still a "sandy area" left :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 18:42, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

2014 Plan

With elections coming in a few months (October), it might be a good idea to already discuss the future of our state. Just to be sure that we're all on one line when I'm probably no longer Oceana's dictator :P

Oceana is the state with the highest unemployment level of Lovia (±10%). While the urban areas cope with a very high unemployment level, up to 14% of East Hills, the rural areas have significantly lower percentages. Therefore, my ambitious plan is to focus on agricultural development, f.e. increased production of grains, wine production, and lavender.

In order to reach this goal, several things should be done and we have to take into account several other things; in my opinion:

  • A neighborhood building stop in Hurbanova and East Hills (at least until 2015).
  • Several hamlets/villages should be appointed as "growth hamlets", f.e. Sternaw.
    • Local traditions and cultures should be safeguarded however. Therefore I propose the building of "peripheral blocks" consisting of several farms near the hamlets, f.e. the place of the former hamlet Ryshembrock could be used for a peripheral block of Bardeyow (a few hundred meters further), which legally still belongs to Bardeyow (so, no need to update the NSO).
    • Btw, don't be afraid of my quickly made-up name "growth hamlet"; they will just grow very smoothly :P
  • Forestal areas should be cleared to make room for agriculture.
  • An Agricultural School should be set up, where pupils can go to after finish Secundary Education.

So, do our candidates for the next SE agree with this? :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:27, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Comments / Komentar

Considering nobody reacted (either nobody cares, or nobody is going to run in the next Oceana SE :P), I consider this plan doable :P I've reread the constitution and federal law, and there's nothing to stop this legally. Therefore, I consider this ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN as well.--OuWTBsjrief-mich 15:27, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Bus Service Oceana

A quick vote :P

Bus Service Oceana will now be a state-run company that is to provide transportation by bus in Oceana. Private companies, such as InterBus, are still allowed to continue their services. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:36, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

  • Pro Pro 15 seats/saytels. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:36, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
  • Contra Contra 1 seat Marcus/Michael Villanova 21:57, August 23, 2013 (UTC) Small speech. II object to this on two levels. First, the BSO has too many lines running too frequently for 40,000 people in Oceana it seems like It will be a definite waste of money. Second, if I (and I will run for and win the governorship of Clymene :P) became governor of Clymene i'd nationalize the entire transportation service. (two internal reasons) First being transportation runs better when government controlled and can adapt to give the citizens better service. Also remember most states have Rail, Ferry, Bus and for 200000 people its way too much, so while I'm a huge supporter of Public Transport managing it well is important as well. Second, I already wrote it on InterBus page (cause I knew this was coming) they can't make a profit, at least buy them out entirely so they can give employes severence and maybe go over to the BSO. That's all i'm saying.
  • Contra Contra 1 seat, I didn't see this, small speech like the above: "BSO is a good idea however I'd prefer if it was run privately as that has been shown to save money not at the detriment of the customer especially when you have a efficient box of regulations to ensure that it's primary concern is the customer otherwise it will face problems.
    I disagree on the unsupported assertion of my NPO college that government ran transportation is better, personally from experience I understand that transport will run as well as it runs, public or private. Because of this we must work to decrease public costs and increase the ratio of Lovian Dollar to bang for your buck.
    Additionally I must speak out against any acquisition of Interbus to the BSO, Interbus is a failing private company and the BSO is a public service we should not subsidise the Villanovas because they can't be bothered to try and provide a good service alongside public services.
    I finish in saying that I will be able to withdraw my objections in the future should we establish proper law in Oceana to ensure that this service is properly administrated and is properly run to provide services to a good standard and to ensure that possibilities to reduce costs are explored. Until then I must say that this is a point on which I feel Oceana is not getting the best deal it could." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 15:38, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

Discussion / Slapemortel

Well Marcus, there is a reason why I want it this way. First of all, in Oceana, we only have buses and a single railway (to be expanded to two railways). Secondly, this is not about making money, this is about providing services to the rural areas. If you read my plan above, you'll see that I plan to make more use of our rural areas. By making them accessible by providing decent transportation, people might be more convinced to go living at the country-side :) Thirdly, the buses that run through the country-side are not 25-person buses, but smaller 8 to 14 person buses.

To your last remark, if you want me to buy out InterBus, that's no problem :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 08:42, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

I meant buy out InterBus for the state :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 15:15, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Please elaborate on that :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 16:13, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Since the public sector now has a monopoly on public transport and willing to take a loss, Interbus cannot survive. Which will go to one of two options. First closing completely and then jobs lost and such and buses and stuff go to waste. Or buy out the Oceana section of InterBus at least we can give our drivers larger severences or transfer over to the OBS. Marcus/Michael Villanova 17:20, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that was my idea. If we could transfer people/materials from Interbus to BSO, that'd be great :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 12:36, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
For a modest buyout of course. I'll change the InterBus page :P Marcus/Michael Villanova 14:26, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
Okay :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 14:32, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
I hope this did not occur. Villanova has been subsidised by the State of Oceana for his own failures, this is not in the interest of Oceana but rather in his own private interests. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 15:40, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
When you nationalize an industry you take up all the private institutions so a more powerful government ran monopoly just doesn't run a business into the ground. Doesn't that make any sense? Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:09, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
"I disagree, BSO was running different routes and times to InterBus, the important role InterBus played to some Oceana is gone. InterBus should have adapted and ensured it's employees jobs and its service to its customers (the latter it has most certainly failed) rather than its owners using its political contacts in the NPO to line their own pockets. Additionally I believe that if the CCPL does not bring legislation forwards soon concerning the BSO to ensure it operates to certain standards and operates its service in a correct manner then the KNPO will have to take up the mantle for Oceana.
Additionally we are missing out on a quite major opportunity to lower unemployment in Oceana by lining the pockets of the Villanovas, whom act against a lot of things many Oceana believe in. Rather than buy out InterBus which should reform it's service and ensure its employees jobs and customers its service, we should employ unemployed Oceana and provide them with the chance to get into the jobs market and get skills and experience. This is a situation where we must put Oceana first and not the interests of special interests." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:13, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
This is the same thing with the Monarchy battle you seem to think our population is around 20 million, it's 200.000 and I think like 40,000 in Oceana. Two competing bus lines would mean one getting one rider a line, and the other getting a decent amount, or each spiltting riders and both failing. I for once would like some actual evidence of "Pocket lineing" you always speak of. You seem to either live in a dimension not on this earth (Stephen Hawking may help you indentify which one) or simply not pay attention. I should warn everyone in the Oceana State Council not to light a match because already the false dramatic acting of the KNPO has led to many straw men being thrown out ASAP. And then he ends with a statement, as always, claiming it knows best and will do the best for (insert state, city, location, whatever or what was put there first before he revises his statements). Marcus/Michael Villanova 16:24, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
"There are no strawmen here, the main benefactor of a purchase of the Oceana branch of InterBus is the Villanova family, the social effects of this decision must be considered. Additionally there was no statement saying I knew best rather one stating a way forwards that we believe is the right way forwards for Oceana, legislating to properly ensure that BSO has a strong and structured method via which it operates as part of this government would benefit this state government and those in the future. It is not my fault that the KNPO has ideas to go forwards whereas his party has not.
And again the member from the NPO seems to fail to see that InterBus was providing different times and routes to the BSO and so there is no reason to merge it into BSO via state purchase, additionally we stand to gain more as a State by not doing so. Going back to my point on how to go forwards, soaking up the currently unemployed Oceana would put much more state money into the hands of national Oceana who need it and would benefit the state by providing skills to our residents. Rather than taking on a company which can survive perfectly on its own we should support our people and give them funding to go forwards and re enter the jobs market as soon as possible." - Edward Cromwood. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:39, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

(edc) Mmm.. Sort of agree with Marcus though :P I see it as following, InterBus will almost surely go bankrupt if BSO opens its services. This will lead to more unemployment. Therefore, it is best to do it as following: InterBus does either a huge reform, or it ceases its activities in Oceana. Surplus materials (buses, employees, etc) may be transfered to BSO (payment for buses, employees simply move to another employer). This way, we prevent a high number of people losing their jobs, and we prevent materials to be wasted and extra (unnecessary) expenses to be made.

Also, it is a sign of good-will to InterBus, which has been active in Oceana for years, and we very much appreciate that. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 16:25, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

"If the CCPL is determined to continue with the purchasing the InterBus of Oceana, the decision should be debated in this chamber and the price we pay should be debated by all members of this council to ensure that we have the best deal. I agree with some of the points that you have made however I still feel that there are better alternatives. At least in the end we shall pay the employees of InterBus better than they ever were under the Villanova family." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:39, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, Iĺl soon present a plan of purchase :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 16:42, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
"I commend the good member of CCPL for his motion." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:44, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Plan / Roshver

InterBus

  • Bus Service Oceana - 24 lines, which need approx. 15 per line=360 bus drivers (incl. part-time workers), all can be transfered from InterBus.
  • From InterBus, we'll buy over 20 middle-sized buses, 10 big-size buses, and 40 small buses; all new buses in perfect state. Total costs: 20×30=600, 10×60=600, 40×15=600, 8+7+8+3-5=16+7-5=1.800.000.
  • Mechanics, nothing to transfer from IB.
  • Other materials/parts: roughly 400.000
  • Extra grant to IB for its services, and unemployment payments, let's say 300.000

That'd mean we pay InterBus $2.5 million. Sounds reasonable to me.

Other purchases:

  • Workplace and offices, as well as halts have already been installed.
  • We can buy some older cheap buses from Europe and Mäöres: 10 middle-sized buses for 200.000, 20 small buses for 200.000, 10 family-size cars for transport for 50,000. Total: 2+2+.5=450.000
  • Additionally: mechanics to hire, let's say 15, as well as office personel, let's say 10.
  • Any other purchase, let's say 300,000
  • Updating buses 250,000

Total other: $1 million.

Total: $3.500.000. All agreed on this? :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:08, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

The InterBus buses are going to A) be used and imperfect and B) have InterBus symbols and stuff on them. We should lower how much we pay for them due to the possible changes to both the bus itself structurally as well as superficially. Additionally I'm not aware of what buses InterBus actually has so we'll need to look into that. On the materials/parts, I would feel that InterBus would not have 500,000 worth of materials and parts, closer to 200,000 to 300,000. Other than that I cannot see any problems thus far. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:20, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Updated. --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:23, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
I've just looked into the buses, they seem to have only one type of bus, which seems to be big or medium-size electric buses. This might be good, we can purchase cheaper buses from Europe and Maores and can instead buy 10 big size and 30 middle sized from IB and then 60 small buses and 10 family size cars from Europe/Maores. This'd work out better for IB (considering what they have, we can't buy small buses that don't exist) and for us I do believe. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:25, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Well, IB page notes that "most buses" are medium-sized, so I assumed they had others too. I think Marcus should tell us more on what kind of buses we's got in store for us :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:30, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
True, I assumed medium and large because the image on the page is of a big-sized bus. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:40, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, so we just have the small buses unaccounted for :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 17:44, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
SSeems fine. I don't think a vote is needed. Marcus/Michael Villanova 18:30, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, then I assume this is ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 21:15, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Chapter 3: State Responsibilities

Yes, we gonna steal ideas from Sylvania again :P Credits go to Kunar.

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 1
Oceana Healthcare Service
  1. The Oceana Healthcare Service is an organization funded by and under the responsibility of the Oceana State Government.
    1. The Oceana Healthcare Service has to ensure that every inhabitant of Oceana has access to affordable healthcare and is charged with the task of looking for ways to improve healthcare in Oceana and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
    2. The Oceana Healthcare Service is run by the Oceana State Department of Public Services of the Oceana State Government.
    3. All companies providing publicly funded healthcare have to obey to the rules and protocols given by the Oceana Healthcare Service.
  2. In order to provide accessible healthcare throughout Oceana, payments will be given to the Oceana Healthcare Service, which will then decide on what the money will be spent on.
    1. The Oceana Healthcare Service will receive an amount of L$500 per inhabitant of the State per year.
      1. If the expenses per head exceed L$500, the State Government is obliged to reimburse the expenses.
      2. If the expenses per head are less than L$500, the Oceana Healthcare Service may invest the left-over sum in innovation and improvement of the healthcare service or deposit the left-over sum back to the State Government.
    2. On top of that, the Oceana Healthcare Service will receive an amount of L$500,000 per recognized medical center, and L$5,000,000 per recognized hospital per year.
      1. A medical center or hospital is to be recognized by the Oceana State Department of Public Services of the Oceana State Government.
    3. The Oceana Healthcare Service has freedom of spending, as long as the following requirements are met:
      1. The funding may only be used for improving or innovating healthcare services, as well as for reimbursement of expenses.
      2. The funding must support at least the recognized medical centers in Dien Village, Downtown Hurbanova, East Hills, Righow, and Sternaw, and the recognized Mariaberg Hospital in Millstreet.
    4. Extra funding may be allocated to the Oceana Healthcare Service for specific purposes if approved by the Governor.
  3. Companies under the Oceana Healthcare Service may charge a maximum of L$200 per inhabitant per year for provided services.
    1. Official state inhabitants which do not have insurance, and do not have money, will be financially aided by the State Government.
    2. Lovian citizens that do not have an official residence in Oceana may be charged a maximum of L$200 per treatment, with a maximum of L$2,500 per person per year.
    3. People that are not Lovian citizens and that do not have an official residence in Oceana may be charged the full amount.
    4. Companies may only charge patients for reasonable amounts for granted services which were either agreed upon by the patient in advance, or which were necessary and life saving, which is to be monitored by the Oceana State Department of Public Services.
  4. It is a responsibility of the companies under the Oceana Healthcare Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they provide and how they are run.
    1. Companies must be non-profit organizations that do not trade shares publicly.
    2. It is the aim of companies under the Oceana Healthcare Service to serve their patients primarily.
  5. The wealth or insurance of an individual may not be taken into account when allocating treatment, primacy must be given to those with the worst and life threatening ailments.
    1. Patients must not be allowed to wait more than six months for treatment.
  6. The Oceana Healthcare Service must establish a healthcare board for each company under the Oceana Healthcare Service to critique the companies that are providing services under it.
    1. A healthcare board must be made up of members that have extensive knowledge in healthcare and are not in anyway related, socially or corporately, to the owners of the company or the company itself.
Stranka 1
Oshenna Zidraviesurgh
  1. That Oshenna Zidraviesurgh is un taste embursovatten by an pod that chensnien o'that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    1. That Oshenna Zidraviesurgh mus zaistit that efri bivetter 'Oshenna has pristup do possarutshni zidraviesurgh an is enabitten kue that take o'lookin fo tshests do leptshit zidraviesurgh in Oshenna an zaistit that ow setten otasksnacks ar adresovatten.
    2. That Oshenna Zidraviesurgh buet erynnen by that Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses o'that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    3. Ow dreafchens that noot pyblekane embursovatten zidraviesurgh mus gorke thie regels an thie protikols eyien by that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh.
  2. Um noot pristupni zidraviesurgh ouder Oshenna, talobechens bude eyien do that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh, tsho dan buet roshutnot po chom that feague bude espeanen fo.
    1. That Oshenna Zidraviesurgh buet priyat un potshet o'L$500 a bivetter o'that Harven a rock.
      1. Asime thie náklads a bivetter vuenimgot that L$500, that Harven Welade mus grantelle thie náklads.
      2. Asime thie náklads a bivetter ar less as L$500, that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh prosh investovat that oversom in innovatsia an lepshebechen o'that zidravni syvess o depositovat that oversom back do that Harven Welade.
    2. Potuepen toho-thattey, that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh buet priyat un potshet o'L$500,000 a uznanen liekni stavebechen, an L$5,000,000 a uznanen hospital a rock.
      1. Un liekni stavebechen or hospital mus biten uznanen by that Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses o'that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    3. That Oshenna Zidraviesurgh has that sloboda fo speanin feague, lang as thie sledovattin trebnosts ar espylnitten:
      1. That embursovanie prosh biten po-ushitten len fo that lepshebechen or innovatsia o'thie zidravni syvesses, ae'hey as fo that grantellin o'thie náklads.
      2. That embursovanie mus support lestens thie uznanen liekni stavebechens in that Dedin o'thie Dien, Deynteyn Hurbanoft, Eesheckt, Righow, an Sternaw, an that uznanen Mariaberg Hospital i Mulntsys.
    4. Mow embursovanie prosh bite allokatovatten do that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh fo shpetshni tshels asime those be eproofen by that Gonner.
  3. Dreafchens pod that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh prosh nabit un maksimum o'L$200 a bivetter a rock fo nooten syvesses.
    1. Ofishel bivetters o'that harven tshe nef no poystien, an nef no feague, bude epomauten feaguenne by that Harven Welade.
    2. Lovish sitzens that nef no ofishel residencia in Oshenna prosh bite enabitten for un maksimum o'L$200 a lietshbechen, kue un maksimum o'L$2,500 a eagman a rock
    3. Lide that nar no sitzens o'Lovia an that nef no ofishel residensia in Oshenna prosh bite enabitten fo that full potshet.
    4. Dreafchens len prosh nabit patsients fo rozumni potshets fo granten syvessen tshe wer bud esulesitten up by that patsient i pokrotsh, or tshe wer needed an bargin that bife, chom mus bite saen po by that Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses.
  4. Iese that chensnien o'thie dreafchens pod that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh do zaistit that necki standards ar espylnitten onguin that syvess those noot an ache those ar erynnen.
    1. Dreafchens mus bite tastes kueout intendovattin zisk that na obchod pyblekane thie podiels.
    2. Iese that tshiel o'thie dreafchens pod that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh do syve thoshine patsients po'un.
  5. That pripygh o poystien o'un individual na prosh bite enummen in ekawnt led allokattin lietshbechen, forrang mus bite eyien do those kue thie agls that ar slayas an rozittenas fo that bife.
    1. Patsients na prosh bite esetten do strashkat langar as shest meshats.
  6. That Oshenna Zidraviesurgh mus upset un zidravni desque for efri dreafchen pod that Oshenna Zidraviesurgh do revivovat thie dreafchens that ar nootin syvesses pod hem.
    1. Un zidravni desque mus outbet tshlens that have un broad knowth in that zidraviesurgh an nar na in eni tshol kue un relatsia, sosialni o korporatni, kue thie aynlide o'that dreafchen o that hine bwa.

Comments / Komentar

I did some adjustments to make it more in-line with Oshenna and CCPL :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 11:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

"I commend the efforts of CCPL to ensure that Oshenna is not behind in the Lovian race to ensure proper government services to our inhabitants. I do believe that this system shall work well however I feel that there are some slight amendments that should be considered. Firstly in 2.2, there is not clarification as to how a hospital or medical centre will be recognised, then in 3 I feel that there is a danger in the giving of powers of charging of non-inhabitants so freely, or shall this be regulated closely by the health boards to ensure that this benchmark for treatment is not abused. I do feel that charging non-inhabitants is reasonable but maybe we should place a yearly limit once more, although make it higher than the limit for inhabitants." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:49, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

I addressed all the issues you've pointed out :) --OuWTBsjrief-mich 11:56, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
"I can support this bill as it stands however I feel we should wait for comments from the member of the NPO." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:58, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
:o --OuWTBsjrief-mich 12:01, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

"I feel I must raise a point that has been noticed in the Sylvania State Council, that there is a difference between Lovian non-inhabitants and non-Lovian non-inhabitants and that we should distinguish between the two. The former should be treated as is currently described in this bill but I feel that non-Lovians need to be properly charged as we cannot be a world charity with this most vital service. Foriegners who do not pay into our system through taxes must pay into it when they use it. Lovian Citizens, who pay into the Lovian system which we are a part of can be given the leniency that is current described." - Edward Cromwood Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 14:01, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'll dive into it tomorrow :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 21:13, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
Better? :P --OuWTBsjrief-mich 09:00, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
Better. :) Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 09:35, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I am also in favour of this bill. Bart K (talk) 09:37, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, that's clear :P --OuWTB 09:51, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

  • Pro Pro 15 seats/saytels. --OuWTB 09:51, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 6 seats/sayels. Bart K (talk) 09:55, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
  • Pro Pro 1 seat Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:47, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

Chapter 3: State Responsibilities; expansion

Thank you Kunar for writing my bills. Appreciate it :P

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 2
Oceana Fire Service
  1. The Oceana Fire Service is maintained by the Oceana State Government.
    1. The Oceana Fire Service must ensure that every inhabitant of the state is protected from natural dangers and must look for ways to improve said protection in Oceana as well as raise awareness of common natural dangers in Oceana and ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
    2. The Oceana Fire Service is run as part of the Oceana State Department of Public Services.
    3. A company can be considered under the Oceana Fire Service if it is owned by the Oceana State Government.
  2. All recognized fire stations in Oceana receive a yearly funding from the Oceana State Government.
    1. The current funding per fire station is L$2,500,000.
    2. Recognized fire stations are the fire stations in Millstreet, Dien Village, and East Hills.
    3. Extra funding may be allocated to the State Department for the same purposes at the discretion of the Governor.
  3. Natural dangers must be addressed with primacy being given to the ones that threaten the most lives first.
  4. The Oceana Fire Service must ensure that it spends part of its budget on raising awareness and prevention of natural dangers.
Stranka dwah
Oshenna Feyrsyvess
  1. That Oshenna Feyrsyvess is emintenen by that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    1. That Oshenna Feyrsyvess mus zaistit that efri bivetter o'that harven is uhatshitten fo naytsherni bivets an mus look fo tshols do lepshit that raniar ecallen uhatsh in Oshenna ae'hey as set onwearnost fo spuelni naytsherni bivets in Oshenna an zaistit that ow esetten otasksnack be adresovatten.
    2. That Oshenna Feyrsyvess is erynnen as un part o'that Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses.
    3. Un dreafchen can bitepos erazmotrieten pod that Oshenna Feyrsyvess asime that is aynen by that Oshenna Harven Welade.
  2. Ow uznanen tushibechens in Oshenna priyat un rockni embursovanie fo that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    1. That denshen embursovanie a tushibechen is L$2,500,000.
    2. Uznanen tushibechen ar thie tushibechens i Mulntsys, Dedin o'thie Dien, an Eesheckt.
    3. Mor embursovanie prosh bite alokatovatten do that Harven Department fo thie same tshels at that diskretsia o'that Gonner.
  3. Naytsherni bivets mus biten adresovatten kue forrang biten eyien do onest those that porozit thie mose bifes.
  4. That Oshenna Feyrsyvess mus zaistit that it speane un part o'ithine balchin do settin onwearnost an predishnien o naytsherni bivets.

Comments / Komentar

So, yeah... :P --OuWTB 10:19, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

  • Pro Pro 15 seats/saytels. --OuWTB 10:31, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

Chapter 3: State Responsibilities; expansion 2

Source: Sylvania

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 3
Oceana Waste Service
  1. The Oceana Waste Service is maintained by the Oceana State Government.
    1. The Oceana Waste Service must ensure that every Oceana inhabitant is able to receive proper waste, refuse and recycling services and must look for ways to improve said services in Oceana as well as work towards increasing recycling in Oceana and must ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
    2. The Oceana Waste Service is run by the Oceana State Department of Public Services of the Oceana State Government.
    3. A company can be considered under the Oceana Waste Service if it is owned by the Oceana State Government.
  2. Inhabitants of Oceana pay for the disposal of their waste, which is collected at home on a bi-weekly base.
    1. Each residence has the right to be using two disposal bins: one for decomposable waste, such as garden waste and eating rests, and one for non-decomposable waste.
      1. In order to minimize the amount of non-decomposable waste, the Oceana Government must provide recycling points in each hamlet.
        1. Recycling points are on private-owned property and recyclable goods should be kept separate by the owner. The recycling points are collected on a monthly base, and the owner of the property will receive a fair amount of money.
        2. Recyclable goods are considered to be metals, plastic, paper and cardboard, glass, and textile.
        3. Large products such as processed wood and furniture may be brought to a local dump straight away.
        4. Electronics and hazardous or environmetally damaging materials and products must be brought to a dump and may not be disposed of by the usual service.
      2. Each residence pays for a fixed cost per month, depending on the size of their disposal bin.
        1. Disposal bins for non-decomposable and decomposable waste are available in the sizes 40l, 80l, 120l, 160l, and 200l.
        2. The costs are fixed at L$4 for non-decomposable waste, and a cost of L$1,50 per extra 40l.
        3. The costs are fixed at L$3 for decomposable waste, and a cost of L$1 per extra 40l.
    2. If the costs of the Oceana Waste Service exceed the amount of money that is raised, the Oceana State Government is obliged to reimburse the expenses.
    3. Extra funding may be allocated to the Oceana Waste Service at the discretion of the Governor.
  3. It is the responsibility of the companies under the Oceana Waste Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they provide.
    1. Companies must maximise the amount of waste they recycle within their means.
Article 4
Oceana Water Service
  1. The Oceana Water Service is maintained by the Oceana State Government.
    1. The Oceana Water Service must ensure that every Oceana inhabitant is able to receive cleaning, purification and supply of water services and must look for ways to improve said services in Oceana and must ensure that all concerns raised are addressed.
    2. The Oceana Water Service is run by the Oceana State Department of Public Services of the Oceana State Government.
    3. A company can be considered under the Oceana Water Service if it is owned by the Oceana State Government.
  2. The Oceana State Government is obliged to maintain a water supply centre near Overbanken, and to maintain proper waterworks as well as a proper sewerage.
    1. Each residence pays a fix amount of L$0,002 per liter of water that is taken from the water pipe.
    2. If the costs of the Oceana Water Service exceed the amount of money that is raised, the Oceana State Government is obliged to reimburse the expenses.
  3. It is the responsibility of the companies under the Oceana Water Service to ensure that certain standards are met concerning the service they provide.
    1. Companies must provide clean drinkable water for all their customers.
    2. Companies must provide running water for all their customers.
  4. There is a limitation on the chemicals or substances that may be put into purified tap water by companies operating under the Oceana Water Service.
    1. Any chemicals or substances that over a short or long period of time affect the personal disposition to any noticeable degree or negatively affect the health of an individual may not be added to water in an amount that may cause such affects over a short or long period.
    2. It is the responsibility of the Oceana Government to set up an Oceana Water Board which makes precise limitations on chemicals and substances and which ensures proper regulation of water.
    3. It is the responsibility of inspectors employed by the Oceana Water Board to regularly ensure that no water has chemicals above limitations within it.
Stranka trea
Oshenna Odpadni Syvess
  1. That Oshenna Odpadni Syvess is emintenen by that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    1. That Oshenna Odpadni Syvess mus zaistit that efri Oshenna bivetter can priyatpos proper odpadni, ofvalni an resiklovatni syvess an mus look fo tshols do lepshit thattey syvesses in Oshenna ae'hey as wowk outeal rastin that resiklovebechen in Oshenna an mus zaistit that ow setten otasksnacks ar adresovatten.
    2. That Oshenna Odpadni Syvess bude erynnen by that Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses o'that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    3. Un dreafchen can bitepos razmotrieten pod that Oshenna Odpadni Syvess asime iese aynen by that Oshenna Harven Welade.
  2. Bivetters 'Oshenna talovat fo that disposovebechen o'thoshine odpad tsho is ekollektovatten o'haym po un dwahtyshdenni ground.
    1. Efri residensia has that right do bite po-ushitting dwah disposovatni quoshes: jidden fo dekomposovatskopni odpad, sowie zardni odpad an mashmal, an judden fo na-dekomposovatskopni odpad.
      1. Um minimisit that potshet o'na-dekomposovatskopni odpad, mus that Oshenna Walde noot resiklopunkts in efri tyrnav.
        1. Resiklopunkts ar po praivetaynen vlastnitstwoe an resiklovatskopni towar bude kept oddelleni by that aynman. Thie resiklopunkts are ekollektovatten po un meshatsni ground, an that aynman o'that vlastnitstwoe buet priyat un fear sum.
        2. Resiklovatskopni towar ar razmotrieten do bite cows, plastik, payper an karbed, glass, an tekstail.
        3. Gross produkts sowie prokessen dreve an furnitur prosh bite ebringen do un lokalni dump falstene.
        4. Elektronal an nebespetshni or invainshkoudin ghmots an produkts mus bite ebringen do un dump an na prosh bite edisposovatten do by that brukni syvess.
      2. Efri residensia talovat for un fest cumst a meshats, zavisetin po that welkost o'that disposovatni quosh.
        1. Disposovatni quoshes fo na-dekomposovatni an dekomposovatni odpad ar geaskopni i thie welkosts 40l, 80l, 120l, 160l, an 200l.
        2. Thie cumsts ar fest on L$4 fo na-dekomposovatni odpad, an un cumst o'L L$1,50 a ekstra 40l.
        3. Thie cumsts ar fest on L$3 fo dekomposovatni odpad, an un cumst o'L L$1 a ekstra 40l.
    2. Asime thie cumsts o'that Oshenna Odpadni Syvess vuenimgot that potshet o'feague that is eraysen, mus that Oshenna Harven Welade grembursovat thie náklads.
    3. Ekstra embursovanie prosh bite allokatovatten do that Oshenna Odpadni Syvess at that diskretsia o'that Gonner.
  3. Iese that chensnien o'thie dreafchens pod that Oshenna Odpadni Syvess do zaistit that necki standards ar espylnitten onguin that syvess those noot.
    1. Dreafchens mus maksimisit that potshet 'odpad those resiklovat kuein thoshine moyleds.
Stranka stir
Oshenna Vodesyvess
  1. That Oshenna Vodesyvess is emintenen by that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    1. That Oshenna Vodesyvess mus zaistit that efri bivetter 'Oshenna can priyatpos tshisting, purifikatsia an dodavka o'vodesyvesses an mus look fo tshols do lepshit thattey syvesses in Oshenna an mus zaistit that ow setten otasksnacks ar adresovatten.
    2. That Oshenna Vodesyvess bude erynnen by that Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses o'that Oshenna Harven Welade.
    3. Un dreafchen can bitepos razmotrieten pod that Oshenna Vodesyvess asime iese aynen by that Oshenna Harven Welade.
  2. That Oshenna Harven Welade mus minten un vodudodavkasenter near Bankoni, an mus minten proper vodesustava ae'hey as un proper stocksustava.
    1. Efri residensia talovat un fest potshet o'L$0,002 a liter o'vod that is enummen fo that voduroor.
    2. Asime thie cumsts o'that Oshenna Vodesyvess vuenimgot un potshet o'feague that is eraysen, that Oshenna Harven Welade mus grembursovat thie náklads.
  3. Iese that chensien o'thie dreafchens pod that Oshenna Vodesyvess do zaistit that necki standards ar espylnitten onguin that syvess those noot.
    1. Dreafchens mus noot tshisti klookskopni vod for ow thoshine sakenicks.
    2. Dreafchens mus noot guinvod for ow thoshine sakenicks.
  4. Deris un limitatsia po thie shemikals o substansias that prosh bite ekonatten in purifikovatten chuckvod by dreafchens operatovattin pod that Oshenna Vodesyvess.
    1. Eni shemikals o substansias that over un kratky o lang tidsperiod hibbring that eagmanni dispositsia do eni pdutnut degree o nedobrotevenne hibbring that zidravie o'un individual na prosh bite edodatten do vod in um potshet that can couse so effekts over un kratky o lang period.
    2. Iese that chensnien o'that Oshenna Welade do upset un Oshenna Vodnidesque tsho robe presais limitatsia po shemikals an substansias an tsho zaistit proper regulatsia o'vod.
    3. Iese that chensien o'inspektovatters annummen by that Oshenna Vodnidesque do regelwise zaistit that na vod has shemikals over limitatsias kuein hem.

Comments / Komentar

Unlike Sylvania, I decided it would be best to directly charge people for their own consumption of water/use of waste services. People now pay directly for what they use, instead of a general taxation. Also, I provided a more regular recycling system, as well as separate bins for decomposable and non-decomposable goods. --OuWTB 09:32, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Guys, this is gonna be a speedy one, cuz I want it voted in before the new council is inaugurated. If you have any complaints, comments, improvements, please tell me :) --OuWTB 17:59, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's good. Bart K (talk) 10:38, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I consider that approved then :P --OuWTB 13:58, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Vote / Lasovating

  • Pro Pro 15 seats/saytels. --OuWTB 13:58, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

Autonomy

I suggest we start creating plans for Oceana to become an autonomous region within Lovia. We have been suffering all those civil wars for way too long now. It's clear to me that Lovia as a state has failed and it's time for Oceana to take control of its own affaires. --OuWTB 11:06, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

The Konservatni an Natsionalistiski Parti 'Oshenna support this motion. Further I can say that our fellow conservatives in Sylvania support this motion. I would support opening dialogues with any other group that recognises Oceana's autonomy and respects this move. - Edward Cromwood - Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:44, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Would there be plans for independence? or a Barony of Donia? Well I am not sure if states atm have the legal power to declare autonomy, but we could propose a plan in congress to reorganize states into autonomous regions. Lovia as a state hasn't yet failed, but it is clear more state autonomy is needed. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 13:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
And how would you do that? there aren't enough active people in Congress to get through an action that would satisfy even 1/2 of the actives let alone the 2/3rds that you'd need to get anything passed! Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 16:52, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
There are just about 2/3 of elected congresspeople active and I'm sure many would vote for a proposal to avoid potential violence or conflict. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 17:59, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Any proposal you would make would fall short I would think. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 18:17, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Would you automatically go against any proposal just cause I made it. I am sure that all active users could come to an agreement. A number of states and regions have expressed a desire for autonomy and a centralized plan would be smoother to implement than several regional bills, which would take some time to go though the many respective (or future) councils. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 18:25, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
No, but I doubt that we collectively, let alone you by yourself, could come to one single agreement. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 19:26, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
We all would have to compromise. That would be the basis for an agreement. If you are willing to give a little for the common good we can achieve this. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 20:16, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
I highly doubt that you are willing to give real autonomy or bring real change. Your recent actions have proven that much. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 21:21, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Such hipocrisy! I am the one promoting autonomy, not just for one specific region but for all of Lovia. Either work with me and the rest of the community to bring about real change or keep on denying my support for such actions. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 13:21, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Hipocrisy? do you even know the meaning of the word? You speak as if you speak for the rest of the community, which I can guarantee you do not. I am working towards real change and will not be playing follow the leader with you no more. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 20:56, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
I kinda agree with Horton on the fact that he's always supported the Oshenna autonomy course, for which I'm very thankful. However, the practicality of giving all states higher autonomy is problematic. As it currently stands, only Sylvania and arguably Clymene and Oceana are active enough on the local level to be able to handle a higher degree of self-government. --OuWTB 10:39, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
But see this, it does not have to be a highly complicated local government. We could have users having multiple characters in several states to participate in several regional governments (or at least in those where they might have a residence). And if state councils do become inactive well the governor can stilll pass things on his own, I believe. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 13:06, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
It is entirely possible that we need local autonomous governments tailored towards the needs of each state instead of trying to apply a blanket style of autonomous government. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 17:32, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
And who says it has to be blanket-style? Spain was able to establish a system of autonomy at the national level while taking into consideration the specific needs/wants of each community, such as a Basque police, differing civil codes, local languages etc. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 17:57, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
Well, the issue is whether it is necessary. Do states like Kings and Clymene have a distinctive political climate in which the differences with the national level are hardly bridgeable? If not, the current situation with State Councils and limited power will work out just fine. --OuWTB 03:18, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Well all states politically have little different from the national government, but it is culturally where there are many differences. Some states may not seem like needing more powers, but on a practical level of being able to establish a good police force or deciding on other matters it would make sense. And there's also the question that a state with less power and freedom than others could be cause for friction later on.
And this is also thinking towards the future. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 13:25, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Well, cultural difference influences political ideas. Think about the Catholic influence on politics in Oceana.
I'm not sure whether the friction argument is valid. I don't see Cornwall in an uprise because Wales has more autonomy. --OuWTB 14:26, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Even so, such Catholic influences would not be overly significant, as Lovian politics has enough of a separation of church and state. And on Cornwall, they are a part of England, and a better comparison would be to another English county or region. Here we are talking about states, all first-level subdivisions of Lovia. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 14:39, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Not per se. Catholic influences áre in fact significant. Think about abortion, gay marriage, Sundays etc.
I disagree. Wales has more autonomy than Cornwall, whereas Cornwall has the same kind of autonomy as f.e. Lancashire. The fact that Wales has more autonomy than Cornwall does not trigger any relevant friction. --OuWTB 15:15, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
But that would not be a valid comparison. We are comparing a state to a state. If Seven has more autonomy/powers than Sylvania, that might cause some issues among Sylvanians, as would something similar between Cornwall and Lancashire. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 15:55, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
You seem to be missing the point I make. But anyway, I don't think Lancashire will be protesting against Cornwall being more autonomous. --OuWTB 10:16, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Legal requirements

These are the legal requirements for Oceana:

  • Oceana State Law: alternation of chapter 1, article 1.1, 1.3.
  • Constitution:
    • article 3.3 (Oceana people will no longer be able to vote in Federal Elections)
    • article 4.1.2 (Constitution will now be written by acceptation of both the Federal Congress and the Oceana State Council; Oceana will have no influence over the Federal Law)
    • article 4.1.3 (Oceana will have to build up its own court, which will still fall under the Supreme Court though)
    • article 4.2 (creation of the term Autonomous State)
    • article 5 (add a clausule for Autonomous State, the current functions in the law do not apply to Oceana)
    • article 6.8/6.9 (Lovian Congress will no longer be able to override Oceana State Law, only Supreme Court will; Oceana is required to have a State Council for democratic reasons)
    • article 7 (full rewrite to include the Oceana State Council)
    • article 9 (inclusion of a State Court in Oceana)
    • article 11.5.3 (will no longer fall under the Ministry of Culture)
  • The Federal Law will no longer be effective in Oceana, which means that current laws should be transported to the Oceana State Law, and later on altered in accordance with the political ideas of the Oceana people.
  • Discussion: will Oceana still belong to the Kingdom of Lovia? (requirement: Constitution article 1B to be altered or moved to the Federal Law)

The constitutional changes are to be voted on in the Second Chamber, with a 67% majority. Oceana State Law changes are to be voted on here with a 51% majority. If either of both organs does not recognize the changes, no changes will be made to any document. --OuWTB 10:35, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

I have a couple of suggestions. On 3.3, why? People who live in overseas/autonomous territories and collectivities of France are able to vote in French elections and send representatives to the French legislature, and I would support Oceana rights to vote for congress. And lastly, if we become a special autonomous territory, should Lovia handle Oceana's foreign affairs and defense, as is done for most territories? I think we should not completely sever ties to Lovia, as there are benefits to being Lovian. And lastly are the niggling issues like citizenship, currency, local police and locall organization; what would we have/adopt those? HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 13:40, May 8, 2014 (UTC) 
That is a good one. However, the Federal Law is no longer applying to Oceana, so it would be strange if Oceana was to have influence over it. Maybe we should set up a new separate election in Oceana at the same time the Federal Elections are held, in which a board is elected which has influence over the Constitution and foreign affairs and defense.
Oceana will keep Lovian citizenship, compare it to Welsh and Scottish people having British citizenship. Oceana will still be a part of Lovia, only with more self-rule. I'd also keep the Lovian dollar for economic reasons, a small country as Oceana will have no benefit from its own coin.
Oceana will have to adopt a local police and local judicial system. --OuWTB 10:22, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Include Lake Vizzock in Chapter 1, Article 5 / Witshanimke Lake Vizzock in Capitol 1, Stranka 5

I propose to include Lake Vizzock in the Oceana State Law section, concerning water bodies. Bart K (talk) 12:19, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Pro :) --OuWTB 13:14, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN

Officialization of Public Transportation Services / Ofishelrobing o'Pyblek Transportation Syvesses

As it is they are a part of the Public Services department. I would personally recommend to split it up, but if that is not an option, we could keep it this way.

Important to note is that we have the state departments mentioned in the State Law. But we have not written down their function or officialization. I propose to add a chapter to the lawbook on state departments and their respective functions. Bart K (talk) 15:53, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I'm gonna have to postpone this though, cuz I'm entering a busy period. If you wanna go ahead and write a proposal, you're very welcome to do so :P --OuWTB 15:55, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Proposal

Chapter 1: State of Oceana

English Narasha 'Oshenna

Article 6
State Department
  1. A State Department is an executive division of the State Government which focuses on one particular field of governance that is large enough to be separated from the general State Government.
    1. State Departments have an executive function and no legislative role.
    2. State Departments are led by a Chairman who is appointed by the Governor.
      1. If the Oceana State Council does not agree with the appointed Chairman, it can overrule the Governor's decision by a simple majority. In that case, the Governor should appoint another Chairman.
  2. The current State Departments in Oceana are:
    1. Oceana State Department of Culture and Heritage, which controls, manages, and protects all cultural events and institutions, as well as historic buildings and sites in the State of Oceana;
    2. Oceana State Department of Public Services, which oversees all public services, such as waste disposal, water, energy, and gas, and health and safety in the State of Oceana;
    3. Oceana State Department of Public Transportation, which manages the Bus Service Oceana and all forms of public transportation, including customized transportations, in the State of Oceana;
    4. Oceana State Department of Urban Planning and Development, which controls any urban expansions, cadastral services, and urban redevelopment, as well as ground usage in the State of Oceana.
Stranka shest
Harven Department
  1. Un Harven Department is un outforni divisia o'that Harven Welade tsho right hine up jidden urtshin gourningspole tsho is potch welk do bite oddellovatten fo that fshobeshni Harven Welade.
    1. Harven Departments have un outforni funksia an na louyieni.
    2. Harven Departments be eviesten by un Tshooliman kto is onvisen by that Gonner.
      1. Asime that Desquerát na sulesit kue that onvisen Tshooliman, can it overrulovatpos that Gonner hine roshutnost kue un simpelmoset. Kue thatte sagh, that Gonner buet onvise another Tshooliman.
  2. Thie denshen Harven Departments 'Oshenna ar:
    1. Oshenna Harven Department fo Cultsher an Arfgood, tsho kontrolovat, managovat, an uhatshit ow thie cultsherni chelts an institutsias, ae'hey as historiski stavebechens an misetos in that Harven 'Oshenna;
    2. Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Syvesses, tsho nim un overglens de ow thie pyblek syvesses, so as that odpadni disposovebechen, vod, energia, an gaz, an zidravie ashatsh in that Harven 'Oshenna;
    3. Oshenna Harven Department fo Pyblek Transportatsia, tsho managovat that Bussyvess 'Oshenna an ow thie forms o'pyblek transportatsia, witshane kystemrobatten transportatsia, in that Harven 'Oshenna;
    4. Oshenna Harven Department fo Mestroshvatting an Mestni Coming, tsho kontrolovat eni mestni buchens, kadastralni syvesses, an mestni grancoming, ae'hey as zempo-ushing in that Harven 'Oshenna.

Comments / Komentar

Looking good :) Let's wait if someone else's got any remarks/improvements and then we can translate it to Oshenna and accept it! :) --OuWTB 11:42, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

I support this completely as I see it now. I'll take a while to consider it and anything else that might be needed. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 11:43, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sure :) --OuWTB 11:45, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Looks good. I would recommend me revising the proposal to have sligltly better grammar and such :P Other than that it's fine. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 12:52, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Grammar help is always welcome, so go ahead if you've spotted an error :) --OuWTB 13:00, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

So... You guys slept over the grammar and shit already? :P --OuWTB 12:48, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

One week has passed: ACCEPTED / EVIKELDATTEN! --OuWTB 12:32, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Shall I create the red links still in this law? Bart K (talk) 14:39, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'd love that if you would be so kind. You be cute :3 --OuWTB 15:03, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
Don't be so gay. Bart K (talk) 15:08, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
You patronizing me? :'( --OuWTB 15:12, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

State archives

Maybe we could also mention the state archives, such as the Oceana Capitol/Residential archives, and any fictional historical archives (about mining, Cartolovia, whatever) in the State Law. Especially the residential archives seem to be important as they are used for a referential source during elections. Bart K (talk) 12:43, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Let me sleep on it :P --OuWTB 12:54, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

You got a proposal ready? :o --OuWTB 08:42, May 1, 2015 (UTC) That is if you still alive :o

I do not know where to place this in the law and whether we need a separate State Department for it. Bart K (talk) 15:29, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
:o --OuWTB 15:32, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
You haven't got a suggestion? Bart K (talk) 12:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
You patronizing me? :'( --OuWTB 12:54, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Deer Garden Temple

Speaking as a supporter of secular government I cannot but support the refusal to fund the Buddhist temple by the Oceana State Council. However it concerns me that the State Council might be considering funding the building of a church on the grounds. In Oceana where we need housing, where we need jobs and where we need other public services. That the State might consider funding the construction of a church over funding the building of a home or investment in the economy or hiring of a doctor is deeply concerning to the KNPO.

I ask that other parties refuse to fund either the temple or the church and instead push for the building of socially rented homes on the site should the temple be forced to close and the State purchase the land. Hoffmann LogoCNP2wt KunarianTALK 01:01, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

CCPL: It is clear that a Buddhist temple in Oceana is not viable. Take a look at the statistics: [1] - Oceana is the state with the lowest Buddhist population of Lovia. CCPL is not funding any religious projects, unlike what most people think. We would support the building of a megachurch on the site, if it meets building requirements and it can be built without state support on financial matters. CCPL will of course also support construction of social housing or investment in the economy and if we can get this done with collaboration of KNPO, we will surely support any good ideas. --Oos Wes Ilava 09:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
OSB: I fully agree with our Conservative Christian partners. We are not trying to get rid of "unchristian" elements, or whatever that may be. We see a problem: namely, a huge building that has no longer a purpose and cannot be easily used for something else in a viable way. Up until now, the only proposal we got was the proposal for building a megachurch, and as Newport does not yet have a church, that project sounds very interesting to us. Locals have indicated the need for a church in their community, and if that goal can be reached by private investments, we would surely support that. Therefore, our proposal would be to combine the two projects: a redevelopment of Newport, in which nature, agriculture, jobs, and community well-being can be combined in one. --Petar Hustróva 09:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
RTP: We are not going to cooperate in any project to save this building of Satan. The Deer Garden Temple is a direct attack on God, as it says in Exodus (20: 4) "[4] You will not make a carved image nor any stature of what is above the skies, nor of what is below the earth, nor of what is in the waters below the earth." The temple should be razed as soon as possible and the site either closed off for ever of purified by the construction of a Church. --Levi Smithsky 09:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
Haha, I find it hilarious how the CCPL and OSB comments are calm and related to the issue at hand, while the RTP comment is a manic rant. :P 77topaz (talk) 09:58, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
:P --OuWTB 10:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

I reacht an agreement with TM :o:

  • (chat) Ooswesthoesbes:
    1. the state of oceana gets the area in newport and can disassemble the building
    2. the building materials are reused for a new temple to be built near dubnitz and the buddhists can keep the soil on which it is build
    3. hurb gets a gay bar :o
  • you okay with it? :o
  • 3:28 TimeMaster yes :P

:o --OuWTB 13:30, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Appointing leaders to the state departments

I think we should have done this long ago when it comes to IC leaders. We could just take some of our state council members. As OWTB is mostly occupied with all state departments, I think he should assign them:

We could also really share the state departments among different users, but as it stands now it is probably better to leave OWTB in charge of everything, because he is busy with it anyway. Bart K (talk) 10:40, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Well considering that we can surely ask questions of the Departments as members of the State Council I think it is fine to let Oos appoint his members to the positions. KunarianTALK 10:54, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Alright. I'll add them later :) --OuWTB 07:25, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Now it comes to mind that we still do not really have a state department that covers our state's natural parks. Any ideas? Bart K (talk) 11:05, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

You become the leader :o --OuWTB 07:25, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Shall we call it Oceana State Department of Environmental Matters? And led it be concerned with managing and developing Oceana nature, agriculture, and environmental issues. And I would love to become the leader. Bart K (talk) 09:46, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Good :o You gon' write the law? It's article six that needs an expansion. --OuWTB 10:15, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
As it is just a single sentence that also needs a translation to Oceana. I think you can better just add it right away. Bart K (talk) 10:19, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
But I'm too lazy :'( --OuWTB 14:23, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
It should be 'affairs' rather than 'matters'. —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:58, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
Good point :o --OuWTB 15:16, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

When are you going to do this? Bart K (talk) 15:30, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

In the future :o --OuWTB 09:23, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
I gave you Urban Planning too. Could you please add your two guys to the list? --OuWTB 12:03, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks :) Bart K (talk) 15:25, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

We should make historical leader lists for the older departments. Bart K (talk) 15:26, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

We should :o --OuWTB 16:07, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
Shall I take mine and you yours in that case? Bart K (talk) 12:46, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
Mayhaps :o --OuWTB 13:59, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
You used to own the other department too, so I think it would be best if you make complete the history. You know more names than I do. Bart K (talk) 13:33, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
:o I'm just gon' put meself in charge of it then. --OuWTB 13:35, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Restructuring of Newport

In the past, we have been rather secretive about our urban planning, so let's try to make it more open :o We already decided that Newport needs a significant restructuring, especially when it comes to the large amount of "useless" areas. My basic plan would be to leave the forests directly next to the railway, and remove most of the others. They don't serve any recreational use, as we already got Newport-Forest directly south of Newport-Neighborhood. By removing the Smeets Forest (we will have to work this out with Happy), we get the eastern area which we can use for agricultural purposes, and the western area can be used for the expansion of Hurbanova. Any ideas or comments? --OuWTB 09:30, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

Just let the Smeets Forest be. Happy never even bothered to make a page on it. The rest I agree with of course :) Bart K (talk) 12:48, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
:o Any other people wanna comment, or 'cle Oos just gon' do this? :o --OuWTB 13:56, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
IC I'd not be too happy on cutting down a whole forest, but OOC Happy has done nothing with the forest apart from giving it a name, so I'd have no objections there. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 14:12, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
We could also expand Newport and create lost specifically for development (houses, stores, farmland). HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 15:12, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
@Horton: that's about the idea :o --OuWTB 06:40, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

I think 40 Vlackstreet and 6 Hurbanova Street should be developed. :o —TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:40, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree :o --OuWTB 06:40, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to help design the new area if you're keen on stealing my land :( Flag of Sylvania Neil Hardy 16:28, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

You can get an entire forest south of Newport in return if you want. Your forest will make room for agriculture :o --OuWTB 06:40, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Church in East Hills

As is long known, the absence of a Roman Catholic church in East Hills forms a major issue to the local community. The Bishopric of Lovia has indicated its wish to build a church in the town. The only obstacle that remains is the lack of soil on which to build this church. It seems our only option is the state property forest in the town. Therefore I ask whether you guys would have any problem with our state selling this small bit of land to the Bishopric, so they can build a new church there. Of course, we will make sure we get the value of it :) --OuWTB 15:12, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

East Hills could use a general expansion, but there are other properties available which could have their usage modified to fit the church, on Swit and Shallstreets. And we do have an existing Roman Catholic chapel which could simply be expanded. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 17:45, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
Well, I would prefer to leave Swit Street as it is, for future reasons. --OuWTB 08:55, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
And what about Shall? or the Quarry Chapel? HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 15:03, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
Shall is the same case as Swit :) Yeah, I like the Quarry Chapel a lot and we only have a few chapels in Lovia, so I'd prefer to not disturb it. --OuWTB 15:22, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
The chapel could be expanded then. At the moment I see greater potential for that state forest than just bulldozing it over. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 15:33, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
What kind of potential? :o --OuWTB 15:57, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Directly south of East Hills lies an enormous forest area. These few square meters are not important for the ecological system. Besides, the Hole Park provides more than enough green space for local residence. I think it would be best to sell the state property forest and turn it into church for the locals. Bart K (talk) 11:23, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

I have to defend green properties, but both the forest and the park would realistically be enough green space in the city, so not huge objections there. Now, should we tackle the favoritism to Catholicism, or more specifically to religion here? We should be having a more open process to look into various private interests in the land. We'd be surely getting accusations of the hand of the church in our government's pockets or something like that, and do we really want Oshenna being accused of having little/no separation of church and state? Now, if we do want another church, what about the 450 protestants in East Hills? Proposing a second Roman Catholic religious building is fine, but the protestants make up a decent-sized minority we cannot ignore and they have no church whatsoever. HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 19:11, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe the Roman Catholics can build the church and hand over the Quarry Chapel to the protestants :o Anyway, the RC's are in such numbers that they require more than just a chapel. Especially consider their booming demographics: [2] --OuWTB 19:14, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
@separation church and state: CCPL is anti-that, so they would actually be glad about those accusations :3 --OuWTB 19:18, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
Ithat's what I would propose too. And , isn't there something in the constitution or law against that? HORTON11: Inbox • Follow me! 19:27, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Oceana Demographic Center

Shouldn't the Oceana Demographic Center be mentioned in the law as it is part of the Oceana State Department of Urban Planning and Development? Bart K (talk) 11:20, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

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